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[tehstefan]

Yeah, I have heard its a good idea, but I'd rather not have a town fight where we kill each other, and scum gleefully lurks its way to victory. More of wanted some serious discussion before the forcing them to crack.

[Apostolic Nihilist]

I apologize for the lack of reaction, but you didn't really ask much.
Also, pressure votes are less effective when you say they're pressure votes...

I guess I'll just say what I'm thinking, since I don't have any solid accusations:

I haven't had the best feelings for Vector this game. He's been helpful, but not too helpful. He's aggressive, but not enough to draw the spotlight. I almost want to search through some of his other games and figure out how he usually plays scum and see if it's like this.

Of course, there's Org. He exploded. People exploding isn't always a bad thing, but if handled badly it implicates someone who could be town. I want to say that he's scum, I really do, but he seems to be genuinely trying. Not getting lynched as Org is probably difficult, so...

tehstefan really seems to be shouting from the sidelines, encouraging discussion occasionally but not contributing much. This is pretty much what I'm doing, though, so I don't want to accuse him on this.

Laetificus posts infrequently. What he does post is generally quite useful, but such posts are few and far between. I'd like to know if this is due to him strategically lurking or if he has other issues to take care of that take precedent over mafia. I really want to hear more from him.

SirBayer seems a little scummy to me, to put it bluntly. It could just be a subconscious OMGUS, so I've been trying to suppress it. I'll elaborate if someone asks me to, but I think it's pretty obvious what I'm finding scummy about him.

CoboaltKobold is the most pro-town of us all right now. He's unrelenting with his scum hunting, pushing forward. He and Vector are the only two keeping this game alive, it would seem, and he's also damned persuasive. He's like this in most games, though, and I don't think I've seen him as mafia yet, so I could be mistaken.

[CobaltKobold]

SirBayer seems a little scummy to me, to put it bluntly. It could just be a subconscious OMGUS, so I've been trying to suppress it. I'll elaborate if someone asks me to, but I think it's pretty obvious what I'm finding scummy about him.

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[Org]

Hrrm. This discussion is definitely heating up. At least people are discussing, unlike how last day ended. However, I don't like how this discussion is going.

Seems everyone is getting far too worked up about this, and thats not going to help us root out scum. We need to calm down, for now, and really ask questions. Getting worked up will only cause us to mislynch, and give the mafia cover.

Such as, Cobalt, what other reasons than that one slip do you have for considering Vector scum? That hardly seems like a lynchable offense, especially when other members have made themselves less useful, and have more on their record, than him.

Org, why don't you vote for Vector, if your so sure he's scum? Seems like your just proving his own point, that you question, but never act, which is definately a scum tell. If your so sure he's scum, why not vote him?

Personally, I think Org's just trying to save his own skin right now,  and posting whatever he can. Web, can I get your thoughts on this?

Sir! There seems to be a Fluxuation in the Meter! Oh GOD!

WOOOP WOOP WOOP

IRRATIONAL FEAR OF DYING WOOP

[SirBayer]

Hrrm. This discussion is definitely heating up. At least people are discussing, unlike how last day ended. However, I don't like how this discussion is going.

Seems everyone is getting far too worked up about this, and thats not going to help us root out scum. We need to calm down, for now, and really ask questions. Getting worked up will only cause us to mislynch, and give the mafia cover.

Such as, Cobalt, what other reasons than that one slip do you have for considering Vector scum? That hardly seems like a lynchable offense, especially when other members have made themselves less useful, and have more on their record, than him.

Org, why don't you vote for Vector, if your so sure he's scum? Seems like your just proving his own point, that you question, but never act, which is definately a scum tell. If your so sure he's scum, why not vote him?

Personally, I think Org's just trying to save his own skin right now,  and posting whatever he can. Web, can I get your thoughts on this?

Sir! There seems to be a Fluxuation in the Meter! Oh GOD!

WOOOP WOOP WOOP

IRRATIONAL FEAR OF DYING WOOP

Who are you even talking about here?

AN, please do elaborate on why you think I'm scummy. I'm as interested in it as anyone else.

[Vector]

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The first and last things were just small warning lights for me.  The other 3 are the serious charges.

DOES NO ONE READ WHAT I WRITE?

Ah, my apologies. unvote, since I was mistaken. On the plus side, it's easy to get Vector to blow up. On the minus side, you order your lists strangely, Vector.

Sorry about that.  I guess it's good that somebody likes my bad temper ._.

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Hrrm. This discussion is definitely heating up. At least people are discussing, unlike how last day ended. However, I don't like how this discussion is going.

Seems everyone is getting far too worked up about this, and thats not going to help us root out scum. We need to calm down, for now, and really ask questions. Getting worked up will only cause us to mislynch, and give the mafia cover.

Such as, Cobalt, what other reasons than that one slip do you have for considering Vector scum? That hardly seems like a lynchable offense, especially when other members have made themselves less useful, and have more on their record, than him.

Org, why don't you vote for Vector, if your so sure he's scum? Seems like your just proving his own point, that you question, but never act, which is definately a scum tell. If your so sure he's scum, why not vote him?

Personally, I think Org's just trying to save his own skin right now,  and posting whatever he can. Web, can I get your thoughts on this?

Sir! There seems to be a Fluxuation in the Meter! Oh GOD!

WOOOP WOOP WOOP

IRRATIONAL FEAR OF DYING WOOP

... What, you mean the part where no one was attacking him and he asked a couple of critical questions?  Also, perhaps, the part where he's covering your ass and calming things down when they were going badly for you?

If anything, he's buddying... but mostly, Org, it looks like you're trying desperately to get votes on tehstefan and away from you.  Way to press ridiculous charges, dude.

Makes me wish I weren't voting you, so I could give you another one.

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I apologize for the lack of reaction, but you didn't really ask much.
Also, pressure votes are less effective when you say they're pressure votes...

I guess I'll just say what I'm thinking, since I don't have any solid accusations:

I haven't had the best feelings for Vector this game. He's been helpful, but not too helpful. He's aggressive, but not enough to draw the spotlight. I almost want to search through some of his other games and figure out how he usually plays scum and see if it's like this.

Of course, there's Org. He exploded. People exploding isn't always a bad thing, but if handled badly it implicates someone who could be town. I want to say that he's scum, I really do, but he seems to be genuinely trying. Not getting lynched as Org is probably difficult, so...

tehstefan really seems to be shouting from the sidelines, encouraging discussion occasionally but not contributing much. This is pretty much what I'm doing, though, so I don't want to accuse him on this.

Laetificus posts infrequently. What he does post is generally quite useful, but such posts are few and far between. I'd like to know if this is due to him strategically lurking or if he has other issues to take care of that take precedent over mafia. I really want to hear more from him.

SirBayer seems a little scummy to me, to put it bluntly. It could just be a subconscious OMGUS, so I've been trying to suppress it. I'll elaborate if someone asks me to, but I think it's pretty obvious what I'm finding scummy about him.

...

Apostolic Nihilist.  Young Man.  Mr. Scumtastic of the Year, 2009.  Would you mind WAKING UP, PROVIDING YOUR SUSPICIONS, ATTACKING SOMEONE WHO ISN'T A LURKER, and ACTUALLY BEING HELPFUL?




Grargh, it's impossible to have a 4-person scumteam in a game this small.  ... I think.  Sorry, I think I need to go cool down a little.

[tehstefan]

I doubt I would be trying to buddy up with the person I want to lynch, Vector.

[Vector]

That's only if one makes the assumption that you're actually trying to lynch Org.

... I think I'm too paranoid.

[Org]

Org, why don't you vote for Vector, if your so sure he's scum? Seems like your just proving his own point, that you question, but never act, which is definately a scum tell. If your so sure he's scum, why not vote him?
Switch votes? More like this:Get your vote off me and put it on someone else.

Vector is buddying

[Apostolic Nihilist]

More than anything, I'm leaning toward an Org/SirBayer scumteam.
At the very least, I think one of them is scum.
Unvote.
I ran through the thread looking for their interactions:

I don't see any need for an extension. Unvote.
Martyr Syndrome is as scummy as they come.
Town has no valid reason whatsoever for spreading WIFOM.

'Scuse me, but am I the only one picking up some bandwagoning here?

Apostolic Nihilist, what say you to that?

Also, Vector - my apologies on missing out on a little bit of time. Real Life interfered.

I am a little disappointed by the lack-of-night-kill. It would be nice if we could find out if we've got a specialist, and if so, what variety, but a role-claim seems useless at this point, really.

I wouldn't call it bandwagoning, per se. Martyr Syndrome claimed scum and so I voted for him, it's as simple as that. I was completely justified in voting for him. Mostly I wanted to make sure he couldn't pop in and vote Org to tie up the votes, though.

Laetificus, do you have any insight you'd like to share? Do you suppose we had a lucky doctor or novice scum?

Okay, yeah, but you waited until it was clear he wasn't winning this time around.

And I suppose that means I should point an FoS at Org, who also appears to have bandwagoned... maybe.

Note this exchange. He attacks me for 'bandwagoning' on Martyr Syndrome and also tries to deflect suspicion from Org. Org is guilty of the same thing I am, (even moreso, in fact); while my vote was hardly superfluous, Org's did nothing and was a pure bandwagon.
He then completely ignores Org for the rest of the game, up until:

Speak of the devil!

Anyway, Org, I agree. You're being suspiciously active, even just in this game. This is the highest concentration of posts you've really had the entire time, or from what I've seen. Can't just take that as sudden interest in the game, can we?

Also, anyone up for the discussion of the scum's choice of who to knock off? RedWarrior0 didn't seem like a huge threat to anyone, in my opinion. If memory serves, he wasn't tunneling anyone, and he wasn't really being a problem at all. I wonder if the scum just random-killed.

From almost anyone's point of view, Org is the one who's going to be lynched today. Even his scumbuddy would notice this. Obviously defending Org would implicate him, so instead he decides to bus.

From here (just look through the past two pages) he uses everyone else's arguments against Org.
What say you to this, SirBayer?

[Vector]

Huh?

Oh, you think I'm buddying with tehstefan because I'm supporting his arguments.  To be honest, I disagree with you and think your overdefensiveness is wearing.

That said, though, it'd be pretty sad if we were having a 3-4-townie brawl while the scum sat off snickering to themselves.


All right.

Mod, care to prod Laetificus?

[Org]

Huh?

Oh, you think I'm buddying with tehstefan because I'm supporting his arguments.  To be honest, I disagree with you and think your overdefensiveness is wearing.

That said, though, it'd be pretty sad if we were having a 3-4-townie brawl while the scum sat off snickering to themselves.


All right.

Mod, care to prod Laetificus?

Stop snickering.

[dakarian]

Current Vote Count:
Tehstefan[1]: Org
Org[3]: Vector, Tehstefan, SirBayer
SirBayer[1]: Apostolic Nihilist
Apostolic Nihilist[1]: CobaltKobold

Not Voting: Laetificus

Mod-created deadline extension due to missing the last deadline:

Deadline: midnight, tonight EST 

Extensions can be accepted upon seeing 3 requests and no objections.

Laetificus prodded

[CobaltKobold]

Org is guilty of the same thing I am, (even moreso, in fact);

Admitting to being scum?

[SirBayer]

And I suppose that means I should point an FoS at Org, who also appears to have bandwagoned... maybe.

And... this means nothing to you? So I decided he wasn't as interesting a target, because he wasn't even talking then. At all. So what was the point in bothering him? I pointed that out to someone else already.

And I already answered the question of using other people's arguments. I don't feel the need to repeat myself.