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[Magua]

There is no "past" Legendary +5. 

Or, alternatively, run a test: Get a smoothed room.  Lock your legendariest legendary engraver in there.  Tell him to engrave the room.  Count the masterpieces.

DF Theory states it should be in the vicinity of 1/4th of the tiles.

[KaelGotDwarves]

There is no "past" Legendary +5. 

Uhh yes there is.

Stats scale infinitely in DF, Legendary itself is only about 16 to a stat total (I may be pulling the number out of my ass but it's about that much) using DF companion you can set stats to max 100, so Legendary + 84.

You can get higher than that too just playing longer.

Point is, it's fairly simple to get Legendary status, but stats still increase beyond legendary, hence legendary +#.

EDIT: It will get to a point where 99.99% of engravings are masterwork. I've tried it before.

And if you don't believe me, "DF theory" can be seen by playing adventure mode. Stat increases scale indefinitely past legendary, but it becomes hard to achieve each stat increase, however in Dwarf Mode, the better engraver/miner you are the faster you engrave or mine, hence making stat increases come at an exponential rate.

[Derakon]

A bedroom from one of my previous forts:



Everyone was quite happy with their room arrangements. I hadn't gotten any nobles yet, though; I tend to lose interest before they show up.

[Magua]

There is no "past" Legendary +5. 

Uhh yes there is.

Stats scale infinitely in DF,

Stat != skill.

Stats do continue to increase.  Skill does not. 

If you have an engraver who engraves masterpieces 99.99% of the time, please post save.

[KaelGotDwarves]

There is no "past" Legendary +5. 

Uhh yes there is.

Stats scale infinitely in DF,

Stat != skill.

Stats do continue to increase.  Skill does not. 

Protip: They both increase past 100, which, by the way, is quite over legendary.

And what you mean by stats I say attributes, like strength, toughness, and agility.

Dude, just download dwarf companion and run it with the original non-d# version. BOTH can be increased to numbers beyond legendary. Don't take my word for it, anyone can replicate it.

[Derakon]

Not all skills increase relevantly past Legendary+5, is the accepted wisdom, though. The theory, not that I've tested this myself, is that you stop improving the likelihood of getting masterpieces once you get to Legendary+5, and any "skill increases" past that are irrelevant as far as quality of output is concerned.

[Magua]

Done.

Ken Ustuthudiz was a mild mannered engraver...

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Until one day, he was bitten by a radioactive engraver...

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He decided to enshrine his life's tale so that future generations could read about his super awesomeness.

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How did he do?

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Engraving 42 spaces, he made 16 masterpieces.  A walking god amongst dwarves, he achieved a success rate of 38.1%. 

Your turn.

[KaelGotDwarves]

Then as you engrave more, his skill grows beyond 100, and a higher masterpiece rate.

Dwarf companion caps at 100 skill but dwarves don't.

[Aspgren]

Then as you engrave more, his skill grows beyond 100, and a higher masterpiece rate.

Dwarf companion caps at 100 skill but dwarves don't.

While I question how you know they don't cap at 100 when the utility cannot show it ... I'm thinking, won't it take literally forever for a dwarf to gain so much skill? because ... it's not really believable that someone has spend THAT much time in DF.

Is it?

[Smew]

Remind me never to make guesstimates on this forum.

[KaelGotDwarves]

While I question how you know they don't cap at 100 when the utility cannot show it ... I'm thinking, won't it take literally forever for a dwarf to gain so much skill? because ... it's not really believable that someone has spend THAT much time in DF.

Is it?

You cannot edit attributes/stats and skills beyond 100 in Dwarf Companion but the utility will show gains over 100.

As you increase skill and the ability attribute, it increases the speed at which your dwarf accomplishes tasks, increasing the rate at which it gains skill levels even though the amount of exp needed to level a skill slightly increases with each skill gain. At 100 agility and 100+ engraving, it approaches almost instantaneous engraving: ie. your dwarf engraving as fast as he speeds along while walking due to heightened agility.

And yes, some of us do spend that much time in DF. 

[Neruz]

Then as you engrave more, his skill grows beyond 100, and a higher masterpiece rate.

Dwarf companion caps at 100 skill but dwarves don't.

While I question how you know they don't cap at 100 when the utility cannot show it ... I'm thinking, won't it take literally forever for a dwarf to gain so much skill? because ... it's not really believable that someone has spend THAT much time in DF.

Is it?

There are documented forts that have lasted several decades. There's even one somewhere that lasted over a century (long enough for the starting Dwarves to die of old age.)

[Magua]

Then as you engrave more, his skill grows beyond 100, and a higher masterpiece rate.

Dwarf companion caps at 100 skill but dwarves don't.

You say you've got one.

Post it.

Remind me never to make guesstimates on this forum.

Guesstimates are fine.  I stated my first response as a guesstimate --  DF Theory -- 'cause I wasn't sure.  But if someone's going to call me wrong, I'd like some proof to back that up. 

Maybe Kael is right.  If he's got a save that shows a dwarf that engraves masterpieces 99.9% of the time, I'd love to see it. 

[KaelGotDwarves]

I don't know where the save is nor do I have the time to duplicate the results of engraving almost the entire map. Neither do I care enough to argue as I'm working on my fire swords post right now.

But what I do know is you can continue engraving and skill will increase past 100 in Dwarf Companion, and you can watch the progress bar in the Dwarf Companion exp screen, and all of that proves my current point of continual skill/stat increases and also my original point that you can have beyond Legendary (16+ skill) dwarves - which was the point I set out to make in this thread.

[Firnagzen]

Here's one.