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[CobaltKobold]

If we have one of those, I'd like them to show up.

Why are you rolefishing?

I know you're town. Amnesiac cop-style thing told Me so Affirmatively By the dark of the first night Letting me wOnder just why you would be Considering Kludging through and Egregiously seeking the Roles unknown.

[Vector]

...

We can trade one for one.  If someone blocked scum, I want to kill the scum.  If no one blocked scum, I want to kill Org.  Therefore I am "rolefishing" because I think either way we will get scum, and getting scum is Good.

[Mr.Person]

If we have one of those, I'd like them to show up.

Why are you rolefishing?

I know you're town. Amnesiac cop-style thing told Me so Affirmatively By the dark of the first night Letting me wOnder just why you would be Considering Kludging through and Egregiously seeking the Roles unknown.

Vector's rolefishing here is actually justified, strangely enough.

[Cheeetar]

If someone did block someone, how would that someone know they blocked scum, and not some town investigator with Org being the actual scum? I'm going to vote Org.

[ToonyMan]

Hmmm....I need to confirm something with Webadict.

Hold on.

[Vector]

... Fine.  If Org is town, though, I am going to rolefish out my face tomorrow in hopes of finding the actual scumbucket.

[CobaltKobold]

oops. My posited scenario doesn't work- particles need to land on leafsnail, get swapped to eduren, and shad0wdump targets leafsnail but spots eduren, glows.

Mr. Person (or Vector) justify the fish, please? Or wise up.

*continues exhausting scenarios*

[Vector]

...

We can trade one for one.  If someone blocked scum, I want to kill the scum.  If no one blocked scum, I want to kill Org.  Therefore I am "rolefishing" because I think either way we will get scum, and getting scum is Good.

[CobaltKobold]

Oh, sorry, missed that since I'm replying too much. Blocked dakarian, clearly to no event other than making me glow. Blocked Apostolic Nihilist N1, though I don't really see that that did any good/bad, but if someone can use it, better to get it out before I die. And we might be able to trade two-for-one!

Also note that one blocker and/or doctor neither forbids the other nor another of that type, web has said no such thing.

Spoiler: exhaustive! hope I didn't screw up somewhere. Should autogen instead really (click to show/hide)

(key: Eduren Leafsnail Shad0wdump No-one (or other than these three)
columns are: particle initial target, eduren's target, leafsnail's target, shad0wdump's target.

ENNN:impossible, glows fail.
ENNE:impossible, glows fail.
ENNL:impossible, glows fail.
ENSN:impossible, glows fail.
ENSE:impossible, glows fail.
ENSL:impossible, glows fail.
ENEN:impossible, glows fail.
ENEE:possible. all lying.
ENEL:impossible, glows fail.
ELNN:impossible, glows fail.
ELNE:impossible glows fail.
ELNL:possible.  Leafsnail cannot have acted on another in this case.
ELSN:possible, leafsnail lying, shad0wdump lying
ELSE:possible, leafsnail lying, shad0wdump lying
ELSL:possible, leafsnail lying
ELEN:impossible, glows fail
ELEE:impossible, glows fail
ELEL:impossible, glows fail
ESNN:impossible
ESNE:impossible
ESNL:impossible
ESSN:possible, All liars, shad0wdump targeted nobody (instead of just none of these)
ESSE:possible, all lying
ESSL:possible, leafsnail and eduren lying
ESEN:impossible
ESEE:impossible
ESEL:impossible
SNNN:impossible
SNNE:impossible
SNNL:impossible
SNSN:impossible
SNSE:Possible. all liars.
SNSL:impossible
SNEN:impossible
SNEE:impossible
SNEL:impossible
SLNN:impossible
SLNE:impossible
SLNL:impossible
SLSN:impossible
SLSE:impossible: the switch forbids.
SLSL:possible, shad0wdump, leafsnail lying.
SLEN:impossible.
SLEE:impossible
SLEL:impossible
SSNN:impossible
SSNE:impossible
SSNL:impossible
SSSN:possible. eduren, Shad0wdump, leafsnail lying
SSSE:possible, eduren, shad0wdump, leafsnail lying.
SSSL:possible, eduren, leafsnail lying
SSEN:possible, all lying
SSEE:possible, all lying
SSEL:possible, eduren+Leafsnail lying
LNNN:impossible
LNNE:impossible
LNNL:impossible
LNSN:impossible
LNSE:impossible
LNSL:impossible
LNEN:impossible
LNEE:impossible
LNEL:possible. eduren, leafsnail lying
LLNN:impossible
LLNE:possible, shad0wdump lying
LLNL:possible, all truth
LLSN:impossible
LLSE:impossible, swap forbids (particles land on leaf, swap to ed, target ed swaps to leaf = no glow)
LLSL:possible. Leafsnail is lying.
LLEN:impossible
LLEE:impossible, swap forbids
LLEL:possible. Leafsnail is lying.
LSNN:imposs
LSNE:imposs
LSNL:imposs
LSSN:imposs
LSSE:imposs
LSSL:possible. leafsnail, eduren lying.
LSEN:impossible
LSEE:impossible
LSEL:impossible

now, if I'm right and there're 3 scum (and Org's one) then one of them shouldn't be lying. But I can't really know that.
Conclusion: insufficient information. However, I have produced two lists of scenarios useful for those with more information, leafsnail and eduren.

Spoiler: truthful leafsnail (click to show/hide)

ELNL:possible. Alltruth. Leafsnail cannot have acted on another in this case.
LLNE:possible, shad0wdump lying
LLNL:possible, all truth

Spoiler: truthful shad0wdump (click to show/hide)

ELNL:possible. Alltruth. Leafsnail cannot have acted on another in this case.
LLNL:possible, all truth
ELSL:possible, leafsnail lying
ESSL:possible, leafsnail and eduren lying
SSSL:possible, eduren, leafsnail lying
SSEL:possible, eduren+Leafsnail lying
LNEL:possible. eduren, leafsnail lying
LLSL:possible. Leafsnail is lying.
LLEL:possible. Leafsnail is lying.
LSSL:possible. leafsnail, eduren lying.

I am not producing the other sublists because, if they're lying, then I don't want to help them and they can do their own  work. it strikes me that shad0wdump has few possible scenarios, but that would be analyzing probabalistically [sp?] and people don't act like that, usually

Now, because I'm foolish, elementary conclusions that don't need exhaustive analysis at all: A lot of power roles are flying around. Probably a few killers too. So: Would a mafia swap with a mafia in this case, and was eduren telling the truth?

[Apostolic Nihilist]

If we have one of those, I'd like them to show up.

Why are you rolefishing?

I know you're town. Amnesiac cop-style thing told Me so Affirmatively By the dark of the first night Letting me wOnder just why you would be Considering Kludging through and Egregiously seeking the Roles unknown.

...breacrumbs??

I'm wary of Org's claim -- a vig/cop seems a bit overpowered. If both powers are one-shot it might make more sense.
We're also neglecting one scenario, that is, Org and the mafia targeted the same person. Dakarian was acting scummish, but mafia could've easily perceived his skill as a threat. Org thought he was suspicious and scum thought he was dangerous, and thus they targeted the same person.

Does this clear Org? Not at all. It's just a possibility. In this instance, would both Org & the scum glow, or would the first 'killer' glow?


Well, let me posit something:
CobaltKobold says he acted on Dakarian last night. Dakarian's ability was activated. Furthermore, CK has claimed blocker. Thus, CobaltKobold is not a blocker. He's lying.
We can assume he definitely acted on Dakarian, but he didn't block him. So then what -did- he do?
I suggest this: Both Org and CobaltKobold are guilty of murdering Dakarian. Org is as he claims, while CobaltKobold is in fact scum who found an easy way to cover for his 'spontaneous glowing'.

• I acted on dakarian last night. I did not kill him.
• I am glowing
• therefore, Dakarian's isotopes attached to himself last night.
• therefore, Org interacted with dakarian last night
• therefore, Org killed dakarian

Org killed dakarian and is therefore scum.

Be right back once I look up who was glowing yesterday.

(fake-edit):
Interesting.
I didn't get any message about being blocked N1, but I'm not sure if people who are blocked usually get such messages?
Can anyone else confirm whether or not people usually receive messages upon being acted upon?

[Cheeetar]

I haven't recieved any PMs about being acted upon.
Apostolic makes sense. I am unvoting Org and voting CobaltKobold. I believe that it is a good policy to lynch all liars.

[CobaltKobold]

You're wrong. Let me analogize: roleblocking a godfather does not (to my knowledge) make him show up as mafia when inspected that night.

Fluff-wise, putting dakarian in one place, unable to do anything at night, doesn't stop the particles in his lab from their jumping.

Mod, please dispel this misdirection by pointing out that  dakarian's ability fires regardless of block. Or, help the town and call me a liar.

[Apostolic Nihilist]

Mod, please dispel this misdirection by pointing out that  dakarian's ability fires regardless of block. Or, help the town and call me a liar.

Well, I can see you're a bit more frantic than usual.
This is a clear mistake.
It would help the town by calling you a liar?
Calling you a liar would condemn you, and thus lynch you.
Unless you're scum, this would not help the town.

[CobaltKobold]

Let me clarify-
If I am not a liar, I'm probably town.
If I am a liar, then I'm probably scum. Thus, the mod confirming that I would be lying in that case would be helping the town by exposing a liar for what he is.

It's called arguing in the alternative. Besides, I didn't want to sound like I was bossing the mod when I was really asking the question of whether I was correct in this case on the rules.

I'm sticking to Org because I know he killed dakarian last night, which is fairly likely to be the mafia NK. But AN is next in my sights. Exkirby [whom AN replaced] refused to claim a side at all.

[Mr.Person]

CobaltKobold, that doesn't mean anything. I feel very strongly AN is town.

You're welcome, AN.