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[Org]

Agosto ran up the stairs. He quickly saw his floor, and burst through the door, pushing aside a married couple. He got to his door, and brutishly demolished the door with a swift kick. He ran in, then to his room, grabbing clothes and stuffing them in his suitcase. He turned to see Bill, another of the mafia.

"Bill, they're coming for us! There were after me, and nearly killed me! We have to leave, NOW!" exclaimed Agosto.
He turned to see the gun, and then, no more.

...Joe came through to see the wreckage. The door forced open, and the dead body, with the bullet through the head.
"Yep, just like I told ya, Frank. Third time this week. It seems there back, and back for blood..."

In this mafia, there is a group of townies, and group(s) of mafia. However, in those groups of mafia, there might be a Double Agent, who is working for the Townies, or another group of Mafia. There will be some regular power roles too.

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Spoiler: Roles (click to show/hide)

Town
Town-Basic, average day human being, with only the right to vote. Work together to win! Goals:Town Win
Doc-At night, the Doc can choose a person, and if they were to be killed, they are not. Goals:Town Win
Cop-The cop can investigate people during the night, and find out their role or who they are for. Goals:Town Win
Secret Agent-The Secret Agent works for S.P.I.E.S.(Secret Powers Initiative and Espionage Society), and has infiltrated the mafia. However, he cannot be discovered lest he fail his mission. Goals:Survive, Town Win, Stay A Secret(You cannot tell anyone you are a Secret Agent)
Vigilante-The vigilante tries to do what is best for the town, but sometimes makes a mistake. He may kill a person at night. Goals:Town Win
Mafia
Mafia Boss-The big boss, he has his mafia goons gunning(no pun intended :3 ) to take this town over. He is invulnerable to Night Kills. Goals:Mafia Win
Mafia Goon-Average, everyday Mafia Goon with a grudge on the town. Goals:Mafia Win
Secret Agent-A spy, working for C.O.R.R.U.P.T(Coercing Our Royalty Rightly Usurping Potential Townies) in his quest to bring a mafia to the top, but they may kill you if you have other allegiances. Goals:Survive, Mafia Win, Stay A Secret(You cannot tell anyone you are a Secret Agent)

[RedWarrior0]

DA: easily the most broken role ever, even considering Ghost and Old Watcher from Paranormal.

[Org]

DA: easily the most broken role ever, even considering Ghost and Old Watcher from Paranormal.

How so?

[RedWarrior0]

in those groups of mafia, there might be a Double Agent, who is working for the Townies, or another group of Mafia

This. What happens if there's a pro-town DA and only one mafia?

[Org]

in those groups of mafia, there might be a Double Agent, who is working for the Townies, or another group of Mafia

This. What happens if there's a pro-town DA and only one mafia?

They dont believe him as he cant prove it.

[RedWarrior0]

Lynch him. Day 2, you have your scum.

[Org]

Lynch him. Day 2, you have your scum.

Why would they believe him.

[dakarian]

@Org:  the roleflip which will show them as a double agent.

You COULD hide it by making the person show up as 'mafia'.  However, since we know a DA exists, we'll probably try out the claim anyway no matter the flip.

Only way for the mafia to counter it is for all of them to act like Double Agents.  Of course, then the town can just kill all three.

Basically, you need a way to stop the DA from sacrificing themself 'for the good of the team'.

A workaround:

Make the double agent a SK.  That way for him to win he CAN'T expose himself since "person that knows all of the mafia" will mean "OMG SK!" and lynched he gets.


Alternative: give the double agent a Survive+town win requirement.  That'll make him want to help the town but eliminate the 'lynch me' option.

[Org]

@Org:  the roleflip which will show them as a double agent.

You COULD hide it by making the person show up as 'mafia'.  However, since we know a DA exists, we'll probably try out the claim anyway no matter the flip.

Only way for the mafia to counter it is for all of them to act like Double Agents.  Of course, then the town can just kill all three.

Basically, you need a way to stop the DA from sacrificing themself 'for the good of the team'.

A workaround:

Make the double agent a SK.  That way for him to win he CAN'T expose himself since "person that knows all of the mafia" will mean "OMG SK!" and lynched he gets.


Alternative: give the double agent a Survive+town win requirement.  That'll make him want to help the town but eliminate the 'lynch me' option.

He will look like mafia on death.

There might not always be a DA.

[webadict]

@Org:  the roleflip which will show them as a double agent.

You COULD hide it by making the person show up as 'mafia'.  However, since we know a DA exists, we'll probably try out the claim anyway no matter the flip.

Only way for the mafia to counter it is for all of them to act like Double Agents.  Of course, then the town can just kill all three.

Basically, you need a way to stop the DA from sacrificing themself 'for the good of the team'.

A workaround:

Make the double agent a SK.  That way for him to win he CAN'T expose himself since "person that knows all of the mafia" will mean "OMG SK!" and lynched he gets.


Alternative: give the double agent a Survive+town win requirement.  That'll make him want to help the town but eliminate the 'lynch me' option.

He will look like mafia on death.

There might not always be a DA.

...But then the DA will announce himself if there IS one, even if he looks like mafia.

[Org]

@Org:  the roleflip which will show them as a double agent.

You COULD hide it by making the person show up as 'mafia'.  However, since we know a DA exists, we'll probably try out the claim anyway no matter the flip.

Only way for the mafia to counter it is for all of them to act like Double Agents.  Of course, then the town can just kill all three.

Basically, you need a way to stop the DA from sacrificing themself 'for the good of the team'.

A workaround:

Make the double agent a SK.  That way for him to win he CAN'T expose himself since "person that knows all of the mafia" will mean "OMG SK!" and lynched he gets.


Alternative: give the double agent a Survive+town win requirement.  That'll make him want to help the town but eliminate the 'lynch me' option.

He will look like mafia on death.

There might not always be a DA.

...But then the DA will announce himself if there IS one, even if he looks like mafia.

Why do you guys need to ruin all of my mafias? And they are not ALL for town.

[webadict]

What's a DA going to do for another mafia or even as a townie? That's what a mafia is. We're not ruining your mafias, we're trying to make sure they're balanced.

[Org]

What's a DA going to do for another mafia or even as a townie? That's what a mafia is. We're not ruining your mafias, we're trying to make sure they're balanced.

Meh. For another mafia, they cant implant ideas or spy to make sure they dont kill their own mafia, and as a townie, they would help the town win... yeah it seems too much.

What would you suggest

[dakarian]

When I suggest a mafia, I typically start it off in 'discussion' so I can hear feedback about it.  It helped in Parallel since I didn't think up what to do when some people lose and some of the roles that were eventually added in.  It also helped make Religious more interesting (though still buggy).

Thus we're not trying to destroy your mafia.  Just try to balance it.


As for the matter of if the DA is there, the question isn't IF he shows, it's what happens IF he shows. 

Aka, how does the game occur IF the pro-town DA roles up.  It'll end up being a very quick match.

Pro-2ndmafia DA means the DA will tell their true mafia the names of the other side asap. 


I THINK what you're trying to get is a sort of traitor sort of role: a person that acts like they are pro-mafia but they really aren't.  I personally love the idea and think if you can keep the DA from babbling and force them to use other means to win it'll rock.

[dakarian]

I say give the DA Survivor+loyalside win status and you've done it.

Spies in RL wish to help their true side, but also don't want to die.  Thus they have to act in secret to make their plans work.

A Pro-town or Pro-EnemyMafia DA with a Survive+Pro-side-Win will give them exactly that.