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[Greendogo]

The stockpiles of wood look odd to me, rather empty and too nicely placed all parallel to each other several feet apart.  Would it be possible to have those piles of wood look more full?

Also, Japa, will we ever be able to control DF from within Stonesense?  What's stopping you from using DFHack to do this already?

[Rose]

Also, Japa, will we ever be able to control DF from within Stonesense?  What's stopping you from using DFHack to do this already?

Lack of desire to do the work required.

[Greendogo]

Ah, I see.  Well that's an easy fix with the proper - uh - electrical enthusiasm stimulation device

[Jiri Petru]

I think you're seriously overreacting with the "nude" dwarves.

[Rose]

I agree.

However, it's seriously easy to make the underwear always on, rather than only on when they're actually wearing some.

[Kogut]

I prefer to have option "underwear always on".

[starvingpoet]

The most amazing thing I find about the American Psyche (being an American myself) is that we have absolutely no problem with a game that will describe, line by line, a dwarven baby getting all it's limbs torn off by an angry troll; but we will get offended by the Barbie Doll effect.

[Andir]

That's why I rarely use the term "we".  It only enhances stereotyping.

I have my own viewpoints on the two subjects.

[Black_Legion]

The barbie doll effect is fine, I don't see really anything offensive. I like the way they are coming along. As long as the armor for female dwarves is not the stereotypical fantasy swimsuit I'm good with the clothing being a little stylish.

As far as dwarf armor Warhammer always seemed to get what it should be like: Resolute, Engraved, and shown with a lot of craftsmanship.
Like so:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

and

You can see sketches of the female versions in the top left of the first and the top right of the second image. It still shows the femaleness of the character but is still in the vein of practical fantasy armor. Caldfir I think your sprites are progressing wonderfully. Know I just wish we could get someone to update the sprites in the background as well. It looks better when the styles match.

[NW_Kohaku]

It depends a lot on if you know the baby or not, and if you are forced to visualize it.  I tend to grow more attached to my dwarves than most players apparently do.  I don't see much point in playing if you don't care about the dwarves.

Anyway, I guess I'll just draw the underwear, myself, if you guys would just let there be some option to enable it.

[Rose]

Here's the thing.

The game has underwear. It will be drawn.

There's literally one line of text that needs to be changed to turn it on.

[Kaos]

Taking into consideration the people that might feel uncomfortable/offended with the naked/barbie doll nudity, how about this:
* No stapled underwear, it's just silly when the game has it's own and it will be drawn when they wear it.
* An option to select the kind of nudity:
** realistic(maybe add proper hair if the game models it, and even genitalia a là child goku in dragon ball)

Spoiler: "picture of naked goku" (click to show/hide)

** barbie-doll
** blured a là The Sims
** covered with black and white "censored" sings
Just my two cents.

[Rose]

Eh.

I say just go with barbie doll. That's family safe.

[khearn]

I think barbie doll is best. I definitely want the option to not show underwear if the dwarf isn't wearing any. If I've got buck naked dwarves wandering around, I want to notice it so I can do something about it. If they all look like they've got underwear on I won't know that they need some.

I could live with naked dwarves being shown with heart boxers, since such items aren't in the game so I'd notice that they're actually naked. But please don't draw thongs over heart boxers if they're just wearing thongs! That'd be just silly.

"Censored" bars would be another cute possibility. But they need to float in front of the dwarf, not conform to the dwarf's shape. If you're going to do it, do it right.

One way or another, if your boss is ok with you playing DF at work, I doubt he/she would get too upset about seeing naked barbie dwarves.

[Rose]

New version is out. It has male clothed dorves. Get it from the DFhack thread.