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[Sorcerer]

yeah, that's what the wiki seems to indicate, but not how it appears to function in practice... ohwell..

[Greiger]

Oh sorry about that half asleep, and didn't notice the text extended off the screen.  That must be the reason I changed how I did it then.  I guess I was fortunate I could just use tissue colors instead, yer not so lucky.

Hmm... sorry out of ideas for now, maybe somebody who actually reads the whole line of text the first time has more insight.

[peterix]

Hmm. just checked the code and the reason is that at some point, caste and sex were treated as the same. This isn't true in DF. Caste and sex are separate things. The code got fixed so the sex value in stonesense is the real, proper sex value. Nobody added the caste when that happened.

* peterix adds problem to the TODO list.

[Rose]

yeah, that's somethinbg that needs to be fixed.

Or rather, caste was wrongly being reported as gender before. That was fixed, but an option for chosing by caste hasn't been added in.

one more thing to stick into the todo.

Peter is a ninja

[Caldfir]

Muhahahahaha! MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Yes... YES... compile my pretty!  Show the WORLD the horrors you will unleash!

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wow.

Don't worry, it's supposed to do that. 
(note: this is not a bug report)

Aha, and there we go. 

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Bam.  Triplesize.  Welp, I know what I'm going to be doing over spring break!

[Rose]

Ah, yes.

Also, if you want to make tiles in a slightly different projection, I can help with that.

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[Caldfir]

Ah, cool - I had considered changing the block dimensions and facing angle to get a steeper view between blocks, but I hadn't considered changing the axis (for something like a 'trimetric' projection). 

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My main motivation in this comes from making creature tiles.  DFHack now enables Stonesense to mine out a crazy amount of information about everything - much more than I imagine it did when the project started.  Sprites can now access everything down to the colour of the creature's eyes, but to represent all of that in a 32x32 tile in some meaningful way just feels impossible.  I know probably the average person doesn't care, but one of my favourite bits about dwarf fortress is getting to know a few of my citizens, and if I can make them visually distinct then that goes a long way in helping me recognize who's doing what (in a creepy 'the sims' deity/stalker kind of way).

My plan is to try to draw up a few sprites for the 96x96 standard and see what I can do with them.  Splash around in the pond a bit as it were.  At this size, it is outside the range of "sprite art" since you aren't really dealing with single pixels so much.  That sounds like it would be more complicated, but after you've spent an afternoon idly wondering  "if that pixel in the upper left should be slightly more gray" the chance to just draw stuff is very appealing.  Moreover I can think of a few ways that clever and judicious use of layering subsprites could result in some very impressive artwork, but again, it can't be done in pixelwork, since the pixels are just too valuable to use in that way. 

On the other hand, being zoomed in close has its disadvantages as well, the obvious one being that you naturally can't see very much.  I guess the solution would be to add some sort of zoom-out functionality, but that's completely nontrivial since there are judgement calls to be made on every level about which stuff gets magnified or cut off or whatever (unless its already in there and I just don't know about it).

Anyway, I'm going to try a few things out in the next week or so to see how it goes with larger creature sprites to work with.  If I deem the results to be "sufficiently awesome" I'll start thinking about the projection and working on getting some blocks made. 

[Rose]

If we have larger tiles, then implementing a zoom functionality wouldn't bee too much work. As for what we can tell about the dwarves, there's actually more that we'll be able to do later. I'm currently working on being able to, at the very least, tell what material is being worn on the upper body, for example. Depending on how things work out, we may even be able to tell if the dwarf is wearing chain mail or plate mail, but I can make no promises regarding that.

Anyway, if you get some sprites together that look good enough, that'll also be motivation for me to work on things.

Though one problem with showing what they're wearing is that it makes it harder to tell jobs, so it might be a good idea to have that toggleable.

[Rose]

New plan!

I'm giving stonesense a zoom function, and different sized tiles will be able to be mixed.

[Luiz]

I'm with a problem, when I use the Stonesense by DF Hack, appear a lot of messages like this: "Cannot load image: ...". I have intalled Directx 9.23 and Net Framework 3.5. What is the problem?

[Rose]

Does your DFhack folder have a stonesense folder in it?

[Luiz]

I use Lazy Newb Pack

[Rose]

try opening stonesense/init.txt, and changing the renderer from ANY to DIRECTX

[Luiz]

I changed, but that did not worked

[Rose]

I dunno. Try reinstalling DFhack.