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[Petr Ga]

OK, Q&A time.

I want to take world map

No.

"No" as "not doable" or "not intended"?

Thanks for all those answers!

[jonask84]

OK, Q&A time.

I want to take world map

No.

"No" as "not doable" or "not intended"?

Thanks for all those answers!

What is essential to understand here, is that the world does not yet exist. Only general information about each map 'square' is known. The exact layout of each square is generated on embark. SO if you've only embarked once on a 3x3 grid, your entire world is only 9 squares big.

Toady does this, naturally, because it would be impossible to simulate each and every tile, tree, creek etc in the entire world at once.

I understand entirely! lol,  it's not like it's actually important!

I think the fact that 3D visualisers havn't been released for 2010 yet increases the desirability to see the whole map.

Hehe yeah I agree. Of course, the 3D visualizers are really neat for that. Stonesense tries to be more of a live thing. But we will put some work into this, since it's a nice feature to have.

[Retro]

What is essential to understand here, is that the world does not yet exist. Only general information about each map 'square' is known. The exact layout of each square is generated on embark. SO if you've only embarked once on a 3x3 grid, your entire world is only 9 squares big.

Toady does this, naturally, because it would be impossible to simulate each and every tile, tree, creek etc in the entire world at once.

I'm wondering if that's what he was asking the first place. Take a world map and render it as a single-layer map in Stonesense with each isometric tile representing a map tile, just to get a better look at a general representation of the world from a distance. So a 50x50 world (38400x38400 game tiles) would show up as a 50x50 map purely based off of the tile types see in the world map (ie. mountains of various types, lakes, grasslands, hills, marshes, etc).

[Petr Ga]

I want to take world map

What is essential to understand here, is that the world does not yet exist. Only general information about each map 'square' is known. The exact layout of each square is generated on embark. SO if you've only embarked once on a 3x3 grid, your entire world is only 9 squares big.

Toady does this, naturally, because it would be impossible to simulate each and every tile, tree, creek etc in the entire world at once.

so, in theory, someone could make an utility that force DF to embark on every tile of world and then take map screenshot, and at the end stick them together, right?

Pheeeew, it would be truely time consuming dwarfy!

[Truean]

Quote from: jonask84 on Today at 03:45:37 am

    Quote from: Petr Ga on Today at 02:32:41 am

        I want to take world map


    What is essential to understand here, is that the world does not yet exist. Only general information about each map 'square' is known. The exact layout of each square is generated on embark. SO if you've only embarked once on a 3x3 grid, your entire world is only 9 squares big.

    Toady does this, naturally, because it would be impossible to simulate each and every tile, tree, creek etc in the entire world at once.


so, in theory, someone could make an utility that force DF to embark on every tile of world and then take map screenshot, and at the end stick them together, right?

Pheeeew, it would be truely time consuming dwarfy!

Academically, how can that be the case in light of adventure mode? Also, if you embark, don't save and re embark, you get the exact same area each time. Even if you embark in an overlapping area slightly to the left, it seems like the same area. Thus am I missing something or...?

[Rose]

Dwarf fortress generates the map squares from scratch every time.

thing is, the way it does it, it will always result in the same square for each location.

This is a good explanation for how it works. it's for a different one-man game, but it's still relavent

[KernelM]

As for making the rest of the stuff asynch, like I said, I
m a noob programmer that doesn't know how to do mystical threading voodoo

Heh, I thought that too until a few months ago when I found a tutorial about threading. I ended up creating some very simple (and very basic) classes to handle threading in windows in c++. Can't seem to find the tutorial again at the moment.
You can find them here: https://sourceforge.net/projects/blockplanet/files/Tests/ in threads.zip if you're interested. .
Also included is a simple test program. Written in MS Visual Studio so you might need to change some bits depending on what you use.

Dunno if they'll help.

[Petr Ga]

Quote from: jonask84 on Today at 03:45:37 am

    Quote from: Petr Ga on Today at 02:32:41 am

        I want to take world map


    What is essential to understand here, is that the world does not yet exist. Only general information about each map 'square' is known. The exact layout of each square is generated on embark. SO if you've only embarked once on a 3x3 grid, your entire world is only 9 squares big.

    Toady does this, naturally, because it would be impossible to simulate each and every tile, tree, creek etc in the entire world at once.


so, in theory, someone could make an utility that force DF to embark on every tile of world and then take map screenshot, and at the end stick them together, right?

Pheeeew, it would be truely time consuming dwarfy!

Academically, how can that be the case in light of adventure mode? Also, if you embark, don't save and re embark, you get the exact same area each time. Even if you embark in an overlapping area slightly to the left, it seems like the same area. Thus am I missing something or...?

Good point!
Stonesense works in adventure mode. So, if I force make my adventurer travel from stonesense/some tool, i can make world map.

any catch here?

[Haspen]

The heights in World map?

I mean, one tile per region, sooo... dunno. Maybe tall towers of single rock type representing a mountain or something? xP

Go science~!

[forsaken1111]

I'll tell you what would really be useful... a filterable stonesense overlay of the world map which lets you search for certain stones/soil/levels of vegetation/terrain etc

[Petr Ga]

about revision 791:

ANY/DIRECTX/OPENGL - screenshots are not working.
Normal screenshot makes file like 1,8KB small, black image
Large screenshot gives this: "Failed to take large screenshot. try using software mode"

anyway, great job. it is funny to watch maximalization of ss:  directx stretch image, then correct it , opengl stretch just window and image is the sam with black around.

directx has some issue with font after resizing to max. somewhat unreadable

[Rose]

@screenshots: fixed in revision 792;

@large screenshots: that error comes when your videocard does no have the required ram for a large screenshot. try again with software rendering. (don't worry, it'll be reasonably quick);

[Petr Ga]

@screenshots: fixed in revision 792;

I'll try

@large screenshots: that error comes when your videocard does no have the required ram for a large screenshot. try again with software rendering. (don't worry, it'll be reasonably quick);

is there other way than edit init.txt? You know, something like ogre3d dialog "choose renderer"

[Rose]

it's doable, but it could get annoying quickly.

[Petr Ga]

latest build 795 flicks when trying to display df map.
it connects to df but when map should appear, i see very shortly blue color and then again "connecting to df" and again blue color and so on

log:

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Stonesense launched
4096 works.
Can't init map.Can't init map.Can't init map.Can't init map.