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[Nilocy]

At least according to this academic.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/religion/6274502/God-is-not-the-Creator-claims-academic.html

Rules: Don't start a religious debate here, just discuss this.

[Tack]

Don't start a religious debate here, just discuss this.

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What!?


: Fossils were put down by god to test our faith!


V: Yes. I was just showing how the catholic church [REDACTEEEEEEEEED]. They don't "[REDACTED]". And you are asking for a religious debate.

[Nilocy]

did you ever read the article?

[Kagus]

Haha.  That's a new one.  So God didn't create the heavens and the earth, he just split them apart from each other.  Which somehow makes much more sense.

And it seems to be that the basis of her hypothesis is that the sentence structure is a little weird, so "separate" would seem more fun than "create", since the situation always addressed two objects.  Then again, there may be another meaning to 'bara' that it technically doesn't mean.  I'm not sure how that would make sense, really.

Following this trend you could also say that God mixed the heavens and the earth, that he mirrored the heavens and the earth, or that he sandwiched the heavens and the earth.  This is some very solid reasoning.


But, eh, I'm an atheist, so I have a slightly biased view when it comes to the subject of Christian Sciences.

[Nilocy]

Its interesting cause it basically get rid of the whole notion that god created the universe...

[Puck]

Maybe I'm mixing stuff up, but I think that one is really old old news.

ie, people have known this for thousands of years.

If I remember correctly it goes a bit like this: seperating heaven from earth is a metaphor from seperating "existance" from "non existance", if you will.

A lot of interesting occult stuff to be found in the bible, actually...

[Jackrabbit]

: Fossils were put down by god to test our faith!


V: Yes. I was just showing how the catholic church wants to never believe they were wrong. They don't "take things back". And you are asking for a religious debate.

Where the hell did that come from?

[Nilocy]

A topic derail. yey!

Anyway, this isn't about religion. its about the bible being mistranslated.

[qwertyuiopas]

I have always thought that God most likely initiated and guided the formation of the universe, not oughtright created everything halfway in. The scientists will be right until the point that they cannot examine: What started it all. They can only predict what likely happened after, more accurately closer to the present.

They are doing experiments to show that life may have "evolved" from nonlife, in optimal circumstances. I think that God ensured that those sorts of circumstances occured where needed, and had the desired results, rather than  having everything suddenly exist.

You as the DF player don't map out the fortress and say "make it so", and it is done in an instant, you guide the intentions of the dwarves to create what is needed. Well, you could, with an external program, but it is more fun to build it within the arbitrary restrictions of "reality".

New post when post edit:
It is more likely that rather than a mistranslation, the early civilizations could not understand the concepts and were given a metaphorical and/or simplified story that allows them to have a vague understanding without all the fancy science we have today.

[Jualin]

If a person present at the presentation fiercely makes a point to brand this sort of Bible interpretation as the argument of an atheist that hates religion in general, and I hear of it, it is my solemn intention to walk over to their house and eat one of their lungs, their choice. If they have two artificial lungs, I'm taking their heart. If they have an artificial heart as well, I'm winging it.

All things considered, I don't think I'll need to. Which is good, because I don't relish the idea of eating someone's lung, and I really don't want to eat a heart.

Playing the victim gets very little sympathy from me. Just putting that out there.

[Lord Dakoth]

Interesting, but a quick search of an online Bible turns up several other references to God creating the world.

Isaiah 42:5
Isaiah 45:18
Ephesians 3:9
Mark 13:19
Revelation 4:11

So, do we need to go through the Bible now and change every occurrence of "created" into "separated"? Look at the effect that would have on the following verse.

Ephesians 2:10 - "For we are God's workmanship, seperated in [the image of] Christ Jesus to do good works..."

It's an intriguing idea, really, but it creates more problems than it solves.

[Jackrabbit]

Sorry, but this reminds me of this joke. Apologies for the mild derail.

Pope Extremely Pious the XI lived a long and full life, before dying, age 97. Upon reaching Heaven, God congratulated him on actively attempting to make the world a better place instead of just telling people to. He invites him to enjoy the fruits of Heaven to the full. Pope Extremely Pious, being understandably pious, asks to translate the bible from its origional text himself.

Several months go by and one day the Pope comes storming out of his study, angered beyond belief. He throws his paper onto the ground in front of him and screams "Celebrate! Celebrate! The bloody word was celebrate!"

[IndonesiaWarMinister]

Interesting.

The phrase : 'God separated heaven and earth' is also there in Qur'an.

This goes well with my theory that the translators sucks. Hard.

Edit: Oh, yeah. Basically, muslim scientists took that as a 'yes' answer for the Big Bang theory.

And so science marches on...

[Vester]

: Fossils were put down by god to test our faith!


V: Yes. I was just showing how the catholic church wants to never believe they were wrong. They don't "take things back". And you are asking for a religious debate.

lern2read articles.

Also lern2read the forum guidelines. Because if the OP says "don't go there", you don't go there.

*Joke Supreme*

That's hilarious. I think I heard that before from a priest. I suspect he was slightly bitter.

[Tack]

: Fossils were put down by god to test our faith!


V: Yes. I was just showing how the catholic church wants to never believe they were wrong. They don't "take things back". And you are asking for a religious debate.

lern2read articles.

Also lern2read the forum guidelines. Because if the OP says "don't go there", you don't go there.

*Joke Supreme*

That's hilarious. I think I heard that before from a priest. I suspect he was slightly bitter.

Learn2Quote.

Also, It's been proven true on a number of occasions. However, I will retract that statement, to make you feel better.