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[heydude6]

*snip*

Though I understand that you're upset by this Martinuzz, your post bears too much of a resemblance to right wing identity politics and should probably be edited before too many people see it. There are lots of white people who support Palestine because they believe Israel is committing literal genocide, so I wouldn't be surprised if some of those got involved in that riot as well. It's not just *insert unpopular minority here* who are doing the crimes.

[martinuzz]

You are probably right. It's not just muslims, but it's mostly muslims from countries that have 'eliminate jews and get rid of Israel' in their kindergarten curriculum.
Behaviour like this is what makes extreme right parties grow. They are a double threat. A threat to jews, and a threat to our society. They are making people vote for present day Hitlers with their racist murder attempts.
I have edited the post somewhat. I am just too disgusted and angry. We said 'never again' after 1945, and yet it's happening again. The attack of 2 days ago was just... Insane terrorist crazies that have no place walking free in society regardless of their beliefs.
Sometimes it's hard to keep the cool if your own life is threatened.

Don't disremember history. Over 90% of the Dutch jewish population was sent to Auschwitz, Bergen-Belsen and Sobibor. We have a strong history of saying 'never again'. People threatening jews in our country are walking dead for a lot of folks still, if only we had guns.

[heydude6]

It was a good edit.

Sadly, it feels like people have forgotten all of the lessons of WWII. When WWIII happens, it will be hard to say that humanity didn't deserve it.

[hector13]

People don’t learn that violence doesn’t solve anything, that’s the problem.

[MonkeyHead]

People don’t learn that violence doesn’t solve anything, that’s the problem.

I disagree. Sometimes people who profess violent views that are specifically targeted towards vulnerable groups only learn to moderate themselves when met with violence (or the threat of it) directed at them intended to prevent them hurting said violent groups. Sure, over time they may forget that lesson and it may need reteaching... It's the intolerance paradox, basically.

[hector13]

People don’t learn that violence doesn’t solve anything, that’s the problem.

I disagree. Sometimes people who profess violent views that are specifically targeted towards vulnerable groups only learn to moderate themselves when met with violence (or the threat of it) directed at them intended to prevent them hurting said violent groups. Sure, over time they may forget that lesson and it may need reteaching... It's the intolerance paradox, basically.

I would suggest if a lesson needs to be learned multiple times, it’s not an effective lesson.

All violence does is beget more violence.

[martinuzz]

People don’t learn that violence doesn’t solve anything, that’s the problem.

I find that hard to state as an absolute truth.
My great grandparents and their familiy were all members of the pacifist society, with broken gun badges and all.
Then came Hitler and killed most of them.

Violence sometimes is nescessary. If there had not been violence, those of you that would be egligable for qualification as aryan would all speak geman, and those of you who do not would all be dead now, or never born to begin with.

Violence should always be a last resort though.

[Lord Shonus]

Violence is never a good solution to a problem. For some problems, however, there is no good solution and waiting to employ violence until the last resort only makes things worse.

Most of the time, however, attempting to solve problems with violence will only escalate your problems beyond your capacity to inflict violence.

[Great Order]

Generally violence being an appropriate solution is in situations where violence is being performed on you. A nation's under attack, someone's attempting to shank you, that sort of thing. The other situations where it's appropriate are more niche.

Although I do think of The Expanse when this conversation comes up.

"Violence is what people do when they run out of good ideas. It's attractive because it's simple, it's direct, it's almost always available as an option. When you can't think of a good rebuttal for your opponent's argument, you can always punch them in the face."

[wobbly]

Violence is a solution you need in your back pocket, been in situations where I don't want to be violent but someone took that out of my control.

I'm pretty good with non violent methods. Talk my way out of stuff. When someone means you violence, and are on stuff, they mean you violence no matter what.

[martinuzz]

People in Valencia clearing their towns of mud and searching for dead should cease their efforts for now.
New heavy rains incoming to Valencia, Catalonia and Andalusia. Schools have been closed, and people are being evacuated.
The rains are not expected to be as heavy as two weeks ago, but because sewer systems are clogged with mud still, more floods can be expected.

[Grim Portent]

Gran's just passed away. She's spent the past few days in the hospital largely unresponsive, even before she got put on extra painkillers and sedatives as part of the final stretch of things. It doesn't quite feel real.

My uncle and his wife were there with her when she died, my aunts and uncles and my mother have all been taking turns staying at the hospital with gran overnight. My mother and aunt are on their way to go see her, I've opted not to.

I suppose in a way that gran's been dying piecemeal ever since she got dementia, but the physical death is still a bit of a shock now that its happened. More than when grandad died, and he died of a heart attack overnight in his house. Might be because gran has been around more in the past few years than grandad was when he was alive because he and gran were still able to do things themselves back then, while gran has been a weekly and more recently daily point of contact as she became more dependant on us and then moved in.

[Frumple]

I feel for yeh, grim. Was there just a couple years ago. It can take a while to sink in.

[zhijinghaofromchina]

Deeply grieved for your gran.RIP

I can’t imagine how hard it will be when I meet with the death of my gran.

[Loud Whispers]

Gran's just passed away. She's spent the past few days in the hospital largely unresponsive, even before she got put on extra painkillers and sedatives as part of the final stretch of things. It doesn't quite feel real.

My uncle and his wife were there with her when she died, my aunts and uncles and my mother have all been taking turns staying at the hospital with gran overnight. My mother and aunt are on their way to go see her, I've opted not to.

I suppose in a way that gran's been dying piecemeal ever since she got dementia, but the physical death is still a bit of a shock now that its happened. More than when grandad died, and he died of a heart attack overnight in his house. Might be because gran has been around more in the past few years than grandad was when he was alive because he and gran were still able to do things themselves back then, while gran has been a weekly and more recently daily point of contact as she became more dependant on us and then moved in.

My Grandfather was like that. Moments of sharpness where he was there and then... Confusion and pain. He was aware of it too, that pieces of him were locked away from himself. I hated not being able to help him. I know the feeling, realising the physical death and the little dying that preceded it. I'm just thankful he remembered me, and I got one last drink with him before he got really bad. I really hated myself after he died because my first thought was relief, that he wouldn't have to live with that pain. Most of my family cut off contact with my family because they thought we should've taken him away from the hospital and let him stay with us at home. In the end they weren't even allowed to his funeral, and I couldn't get anyone to put aside their pride for it. We spent so much money trying to keep him alive because the doctors said there was a chance he could get better. He did recover and then just suddenly declined - doctors say he got a drug resistant infection at the last moment. Some of my friends/colleague doctors said they'd seen it before in other patients, when they have no regrets, nothing left to do - they pass away as suddenly as that. That's something positive. I take solace knowing the moments lived together are forever, but sometimes it's surreal still being alive and knowing that it's just curtains closed... Won't see them ever again. I disappeared around bay12 the same time, just too much falling apart at the same time to even notice I'd withdrawn from everything. I hope you handle things better than I did, as at some point I just started existing and stopped thinking about myself... It was not a good thing to have sleepwalked into. Just really sorry for your loss and hope your gran journeyed well, and wish you all well in the days to come