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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #112125 on: December 19, 2017, 09:17:14 am »

I hate to prattle on about asinine bullshit, but I was thinking about this again today: that perhaps a great deal of the alienation I feel from society, and alienation about myself to myself, was the result of the subconscious conditioning my incompetent mother did as I grew up. Basically, I got an idea of "What adults are and how they should behave" from my mother (and other adults) as I grew up, which I think is a fair assumption. My problem however, is I believe the unconscious assumption I got about adulthood is that adults:

1) Are nonsensical. My mom never had a plan or intention for anything, and only worked and paid bills reluctantly because she had to, and even then she worked herself into permanent disability. Other than that, she partied, fought wildly with whomever for whatever reason, drank, just lived life in however she felt without caring about the consequences. That pretty much sums it up "Fuck reason! Fuck plans! Fuck everything but the immediate here and now!", that leads into:

2) Adults are naturally self-destructive. So many adults, I'd see growing up, are just the ugliest, crippled, most overweight and pathetic creatures you'd ever see. The fact that living such carefree and degenerate lives is producing such a substantial bodily toll on them is apparently beside the point, cause fuck the consequences you gotta remember, they're not going to stop or curb any bad habit, the habit isn't the problem, the problem is that life is a bitch and you just gotta live with it. Which leads into:

3) Adults are uncaring to the extreme. The fact that we lived in squalor was apparently never an issue growing up. If you can just push your trash into a corner and get on with your life, then why not do that? If you can let your dishes pile up until there is literally no counter table space left, but you still only need a few to get through the day, then why not just do one at a time to get through the day? I remember, in the depths of my childhood and teenage depression, I never wanted to shower or clean myself, or shave, or really do anything hygienic, and as a consequence I was just the fucking stinky and unpopular kid at school, but if I could get through the day, what's the bother really, because my Mom and nobody of importance in my life really pressured me to maintain myself, so I was just a shabby smelly shithead for a not-insignificant portion of my life, long enough to build awful habits that persist to this day, and even now I only clean myself up regularly "because I have to" and not "because it's a good fucking idea". Which I suppose leads into the next thing:

4) Adults are unambitious and underachieving. I remember still very vividly my high school graduation party, which just consisted of my Mom and HER friends getting drunk and rowdy for a night, but the actual purported reasoning for the party was that I was the first person in my family in two or three generations to finish highschool. Not that I was happy about it, as at this point in my life I was at a completely closed deadend with no prospects or even desire to live beyond this point, but just the fact that I had that stupid piece of paper that I nearly traded my sanity for was apparently enough. Mom never made any real demands on me, ever... well, I remember in early elementary school, I'd bring home beginners math or writing, and I'd struggle with it, and she'd yell at the top of her lungs at me for being so stupid and just not getting it, and when I got better and her mood improved, I took that as motivation to become the 'smartest kid in school' or whatever, but then she stopped making demands on me, and at some point I realized that all my motivations in life were hollow, and I crashed and burned... but the fact that I crashed and burned was again, a nonproblem in the world of adults, the REAL problem was that 'I was depressed' or whatever shit that divorces the blame from the person and instead places onto a nebulous and unassailable other thing. And so, having achieved apparently what I was born to achieve, and with nothing else to do, I spent the next 3 or so years of my proper adulthood living as an American Hikikomori. But again, this was also OK, so no pressure to get out or do anything...
and I suppose the final thing:

5)Adults are naturally corrupt and dishonest. I remember vividly, on the eve of the year 2000, what I imagined in my head to be the biggest and most important celebration of the millennia, I spent it waiting patiently in my home by myself, waiting for Mom to come home, because she explicitly promised me that we would spend it together. And I watched the big countdown on Nickelodeon with no happiness as midnight came and went, again, by myself, and I still waited for some time before giving up and heading to bed. The only excuse I got in the morning was something along the lines of "Whoops! I forgot, sorry! I was out partying." from my Mom, and that shit still burns hot in my stomach to this day. And all throughout childhood I wanted to be an honest and good person, and that would frequently elicit remarks to something of the effect of "Oh Josh, you'd make such a bad politician!" as though honesty and naivety are inextricably tied together, and maturity and dishonestly are similarly tied together.

Obviously I'm not positing that any of these are true. They're not. Not even close. The problem was that they were presented as true when I was impressionable, and I feel they still linger as incontrovertible truths in my mind, and that those 'false truths' in my mind wind up poisoning and undermining my own identity and outlook on life, preventing me from really living how I want to live or even preventing me from being happy and satisfied with my life when I have every right to be but because I feel I'm not living up to these "Anti-ideals" that I'm living a false life, that I'm an imposter, that I'm still a manchild and I have no right to be happy when I'm still clinging so strongly to my perceived immaturity of wanting to live my life conscientiously.

I'm 28 years old now, still a virgin, and the thought hit me just the other day "It's totally reasonable for me to date a woman that is 30+ years old" and I nearly threw up in my mouth. There's nothing wrong with 30+ yr old women, but I remembered that my Mom gave birth to me when she was 25, and my own insecurity about myself hit me like a kick in the stomach. That I'm still "way behind" everyone in terms of "maturity" and that becoming "more mature" means embracing those "anti-ideals" and just becoming a dumbass fool that'll never make anything of himself. It's just... I want everything in my mind to line up, I want my actions, beliefs, outlook on life, just everything to all come together and reinforce eachother, so that I'm finally no longer paralyzed into indecision about every little thing. That "What I want to be" and what I subconsciously think "What is actually real and realistic" are in such irreconcilable conflict with eachother that moving forward with my life so often just feels impossible. I put up losing my virginity as the milestone I want to hit, but that's stupid, because I can't even decide what I want to do with my life, or what I want to learn, or what friends I want to have, or even what furniture I should have! My apartment has a few things, and I've been THINKING about getting a couch... for more than a solid year now, because I just can't bring myself to even make a commitment like that, that kind of decision requires that I not be paralyzed about the direction I want to go in life, but I am paralyzed, and so I don't make the decision I just let it sit there in limbo, for what might be forever... because I can, it's the easy thing to do, and most importantly, the fact that I COULD decide but choose not to, just gets me through the day.

Now I'm just tired, maybe I'll go to bed early today.
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #112126 on: December 19, 2017, 10:12:49 am »

Literally all of that sounds like good motivation to do the exact opposite, because you saw how shitty it is to live like that and how shitty people are who live like that.

1. Make plans and goals.

2. Don't be self destructive. Take care of yourself and avoid excess.

3. Maintain standards, such as personal hygiene or keeping your home ordered and clean. Not just because you have to, but because it's better than the alternative.

4. Be ambitious.

5. Be honorable and honest.
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« Reply #112127 on: December 19, 2017, 10:26:15 am »

I suppose that was my point, was that I am trying to do exactly that. It's just that, on some level, doing the 'right things' just feels wrong, or atleast so unnatural that they feel alienating.
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« Reply #112128 on: December 19, 2017, 10:52:07 am »

I suppose that was my point, was that I am trying to do exactly that. It's just that, on some level, doing the 'right things' just feels wrong, or atleast so unnatural that they feel alienating.
Ah, I missed that. I think I get what you mean about the alienating feeling. It's like it's normal for people to be irresponsible assholes lately. All that means is the people that aren't assholes are worth so much more.
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #112129 on: December 19, 2017, 06:59:47 pm »

It's not substitute, but hanging out here it's something, at least a start and you don't have to feel that alienated. For a lot of reasons I have been in the similar spots and mindsets as you are, several times in my life. Things get better, and you are still young pal!

Follow Spehss advice and you'll be fine.

Also, don't be ashame of being a virgin, is not that bad, trust me on this, sex is overrated and there are other things far more important in life. Not to say sex isn't great, but the real deal is once you have find somebody you love and love you back. And trust me on this too, you are still pretty young and can still build up a life. Accept you are a grown up ass man now, and be the kind of adult you whish everyone should be.

I remember as a little kid that not having my father around marked me a lot, and I told to myself, even before knowing how babies were made, that I would never leave children around. I hasn't been easy but I only have a son so far (I'm 30) and with my wife. I'm telling you this because you can break repetitive cycles and improve your life and that of those around you.

Hang on, these days whenever I find myself in despair for whatever of the many reasons I can have, I just think "This too shall pass".
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #112130 on: December 20, 2017, 05:29:21 am »

Yesterday I was in such a good mood. I really should have written down some of those cheerful, motivational messages of encouragement that I thought up to my future selves whilst I had the chance. Coulda probably used them today. Instead, the fact that I didn't write them down simply acts as one more example of how goddamn useless I am, and the whole idea of writing "inspirational messages to one's future self" seems lame as shit anyway.

Yesterday I lay down and daydreamed for a while, and then afterwards, instead of being annoyed at the amount of time I'd wasted, I was happy to realise that those pleasant daydreams I'd been having weren't actually very far-fetched at all. The slogan of the day was "Happiness is a realistic goal", or something along those lines.

Today I lay down and daydreamed for a while, and then afterwards my previously decent mood nosedived through the fucking floor for some reason. Was super anxious walking to the supermarket just now, too. I would have expected to feel worse yesterday, considering I couldn't sleep and woke up super tired, unable to go to work and feeling shit about it. Today I was productive, and indeed I'm pretty sure I was feeling reasonably good until this evening.

Maybe it's a residual effect from the sad love songs on the "golden oldies" station at work today that is to blame for this.

You know, I came to a realisation the other week: every love song is a "sad love song" when your heart is borked.
I don't think my borked heart is the cause of this current mood(it's mostly un-borked now anyways), mind you, it's just an observation I found interesting at the time.
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #112131 on: December 20, 2017, 12:56:49 pm »

I got an appointment with the doctor on Tuesday to talk about the anxiety and depression. Step forward
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #112132 on: December 20, 2017, 04:12:57 pm »

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Have you ever considered seeking out a therapist trained in CBT (cognitive behavioral therapy)?  From what you've been saying in this thread it sounds like you could really benefit from that style of therapy.
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« Reply #112133 on: December 21, 2017, 05:58:56 am »

In Jakarta 10 homosexual men have been convicted to two years in prison.
Homosexuality in itself is not illegal in Indonesia. Therefore instead, the men were convicted on basis of the anti-porno law, which forbids basically anything that could be considered 'indecent'.

Meanwhile the Indonesian minister of Defense, Ryamizard Ryacudu has stated that "lgbt are more dangerous than car bombs".

It sadly is representative of the ongoing decline of lgbt rights in Indonesia. Where up until a few years ago, the lgbt community was getting more and more accepted in Indonesian culture, recent rise of muslim-populism has completely reversed that, and laws are in the making in parliament to forbid lgbt.
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #112134 on: December 21, 2017, 06:45:47 am »

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That sucks big time man.

Today I feel specially like a failure. Despite my best efforts I can't turn around our decaying situation. While we succeeded to procure baby food for the rest of year the future is still incognito and that just send shivers down my spine.

Maybe is the fact Christmas day is approaching and I haven't be able to buy my wife or baby any presents, heck my baby doesn't even have a simple rattle yet, although he'll be only 4 months old by Christmas day, I don't know if he's too young. On the other hand the special dinner we used to have that day may be replaced by some vegetable stew and a chicken leg for each. Even then I'm grateful as is more than most people will have here.

The wife is really supportive through all this, but I feel both of them deserve way much better that I alone can currently provide, and that's what is acutely painful.
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #112135 on: December 21, 2017, 06:47:07 pm »

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Have you ever considered seeking out a therapist trained in CBT (cognitive behavioral therapy)?  From what you've been saying in this thread it sounds like you could really benefit from that style of therapy.

I read up on the wiki page for CBT, but I'm still not sure what it is.

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That sucks big time man.

Today I feel specially like a failure. Despite my best efforts I can't turn around our decaying situation. While we succeeded to procure baby food for the rest of year the future is still incognito and that just send shivers down my spine.

Maybe is the fact Christmas day is approaching and I haven't be able to buy my wife or baby any presents, heck my baby doesn't even have a simple rattle yet, although he'll be only 4 months old by Christmas day, I don't know if he's too young. On the other hand the special dinner we used to have that day may be replaced by some vegetable stew and a chicken leg for each. Even then I'm grateful as is more than most people will have here.

The wife is really supportive through all this, but I feel both of them deserve way much better that I alone can currently provide, and that's what is acutely painful.

I hope everything turns out alright LordBaal.
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #112136 on: December 22, 2017, 07:49:20 pm »

Today I feel specially like a failure. Despite my best efforts I can't turn around our decaying situation. While we succeeded to procure baby food for the rest of year the future is still incognito and that just send shivers down my spine.

Maybe is the fact Christmas day is approaching and I haven't be able to buy my wife or baby any presents, heck my baby doesn't even have a simple rattle yet, although he'll be only 4 months old by Christmas day, I don't know if he's too young. On the other hand the special dinner we used to have that day may be replaced by some vegetable stew and a chicken leg for each. Even then I'm grateful as is more than most people will have here.

The wife is really supportive through all this, but I feel both of them deserve way much better that I alone can currently provide, and that's what is acutely painful.
Harsh. Times will get better some day, but that won't help right now...

Don't beat yourself up too badly though. It won't do a bit of good, plus there's millions out there doing less than you.
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #112137 on: December 23, 2017, 02:37:56 pm »

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Have you ever considered seeking out a therapist trained in CBT (cognitive behavioral therapy)?  From what you've been saying in this thread it sounds like you could really benefit from that style of therapy.

I read up on the wiki page for CBT, but I'm still not sure what it is.

Basically its changing unhealthy thought patterns.

Example, there are these things my therapist refers to as automatic thoughts.  They're unhelpful thoughts that are triggered unconsciously by a certain event.  Like if someone with an image of themself as a failure messes something up the thought could be something to the effect of "I failed this time and that makes sense because I'm a failure."  The natural human reaction to that thought is to try to resolve whatever the problem is.  CBT works the other way and teaches you to address the thought itself, since its irrational and useless.

There's also things like techniques to control mood.  Plus all therapists are a source of general life advice and a person to talk to.  One useful thing about all therapists is you can use them for perspective; say if you get in a fight with someone you can just ask them who was being reasonable in that situation (usually its semi-obvious from the outside).
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #112138 on: December 23, 2017, 02:54:59 pm »

Self-revelatory things are nice.
Not being able to act on them because resources are far away and people aren't getting back to me is not nice.  :/
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #112139 on: December 23, 2017, 04:22:08 pm »

I noticed something:
This forum has a noticably decreased amount of activity recently.
Me worried.
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