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karhell

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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #91740 on: April 14, 2015, 07:41:12 am »

Does that bacteria come from vaccines?

As far as I know, it's naturally present, but in small concentrations. However, an early excess (age < 3) of antibiotics can throw the whole gut fauna out of balance, and since chlostridium resists most antibiotics, it develops much more than it should.
(Disclaimer, I am by no means an expert, this is from something I saw on Arte last week)
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« Reply #91741 on: April 14, 2015, 07:42:13 am »

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« Reply #91742 on: April 14, 2015, 07:44:42 am »

I understand the need to get a blood test. I just don't like the idea of a doctor who doesn't brush me off.
Damn phrasal verbs. What does it mean? Surely not this:
http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/british/brush-sb-sth-off
"to remove dust or dirt from someone or something by using your hands or a brush"
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« Reply #91743 on: April 14, 2015, 07:46:55 am »

Yeah, your body is ridiculously interconnected. They've found even gut bacteria have effects on your mood and psychology. Those aren't even technically part of you.

To elaborate on that, an excess of certain gut bacteria (chlostridium, IIRC) has been linked to regressive autism

Other gut bacteria balances can do things like cause anxiety, at least in rats. The relationship between gut bacteria and your brain hasn't been studied much, but my impression is they're finding a lot of connections now that they're looking for them.
Indeed. This kind of research is turning up fascinating results. I'm curious as to what will be found in the future.

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I understand the need to get a blood test. I just don't like the idea of a doctor who doesn't brush me off.
Damn phrasal verbs. What does it mean? Surely not this:
http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/british/brush-sb-sth-off
"to remove dust or dirt from someone or something by using your hands or a brush"
I guess xe meant "A doctor who wasn't dismissive"
That or said doctor has a massive brush ^^
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #91744 on: April 14, 2015, 07:47:15 am »

No, it means:
http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/british/brush-sth-off
" to refuse to listen to what someone says, or to refuse to think about something seriously"
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #91745 on: April 14, 2015, 07:52:53 am »

I don't think any vaccines contain living bacteria.

Some do, but they usually contain "lesser" variants of the real stuff.
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #91746 on: April 14, 2015, 08:10:09 am »

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« Reply #91747 on: April 14, 2015, 08:12:21 am »

No, it means:
http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/british/brush-sth-off
" to refuse to listen to what someone says, or to refuse to think about something seriously"
So, was Tack saying: 'I just don't like the idea of a doctor who listens to what I say and treats me seriously. It's unnatural'?
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #91748 on: April 14, 2015, 08:14:52 am »

Erm... No. Quite the reverse, I suspect
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« Reply #91749 on: April 14, 2015, 08:22:11 am »

No, it means:
http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/british/brush-sth-off
" to refuse to listen to what someone says, or to refuse to think about something seriously"
So, was Tack saying: 'I just don't like the idea of a doctor who listens to what I say and treats me seriously. It's unnatural'?
I do not think Tack holds medical professionals in the highest of regards.
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« Reply #91750 on: April 14, 2015, 08:31:42 am »

In all honesty, I find psychology to be very shady in most regards, mostly since psychologists like to base their assumptions on hilarious outdated stuff like Freud and Jung, and often fail to distinglish between a real issue/disease. I'm not the most reliable source on this matter though, mainly since my experiences with psychology come mainly from friends that attended several different psychologists and psychology teachers and students. Most of it seems wildly arbitrary and unscientific, at least untill we enter the realm of actual psychiatry.
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« Reply #91751 on: April 14, 2015, 08:32:55 am »

He went to a psychiatrist, which is an actual real doctor.
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« Reply #91752 on: April 14, 2015, 08:37:17 am »

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« Reply #91753 on: April 14, 2015, 08:37:36 am »

He went to a psychiatrist, which is an actual real doctor.

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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #91754 on: April 14, 2015, 08:37:44 am »

There's no way for those to make it from your bloodstream to your colon, right? I could see them being less harmless in a different environment.

They cannot be more harmful. Live bacteria in the bloodstream are literally as bad as it gets, if we're talking a proper infection, and they are *attenuated* - meaning their ability to cause disease is nil.

Clostridium bacteria are part of the natural gut microflora; even if there's a trace amount of them in a vaccine for some reason, if we're talking gut bacteria, you're seriously worse off feeding them honey than vaccinating them  (by the way, you really shouldn't feed small children honey, you're risking botulism, which is a death by suffocation without medical aid).

Furthermore, the gut-brain interaction triggered by bacteria is still a very murky subject - there's a plausible pathway, but we don't know if it's used, how, or by what.
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