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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #88575 on: February 17, 2015, 10:05:56 pm »

Well... I have a thought but I don't think I can talk about it elegantly enough. It's not that there is a soul though.
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #88576 on: February 17, 2015, 10:09:58 pm »

I just personally think gender is useless when it's not used to identify biological difference. (i.e. I'm "male" because I can sexually reproduce with "females")

I just wish we were all born intersex, and can switch our sex at will.
And I'm pretty sure that with modern medicine, we could outright change someone's gender to the point of being capable of reproducing as that new gender.
Don't quote me on that, though, cause I'm not a geneticist, but it seems logical to me.

But yeah, if people could change genders at will, that would solve sooooo many problems.
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #88577 on: February 17, 2015, 10:12:28 pm »

I don't think it is possible. Biology is hard.

Result of hormonal therapy, btw, is being sterile.
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #88578 on: February 17, 2015, 10:14:34 pm »

I don't think it is possible. Biology is hard.

Result of hormonal therapy, btw, is being sterile.
Hmm. I suppose it would be considerably more difficult than just transplanting the entirety of the reproductive system...

This is why I'm not a scientist.
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #88579 on: February 17, 2015, 10:16:27 pm »

If you find a suitable cadaver and are willing to undergo some trauma you could theoretically transplant your brain to someone else's body.
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #88580 on: February 17, 2015, 10:16:48 pm »

Sadly, no, we can't do that. I believe that with sufficient shenanigans we can let any two people breed, but you need a biological woman to offer a place to stash the fetus for a while, and the shenanigans are... well, let's just say you're not likely to be internalizing them any time soon.

Transhumanism is an attractive future for lots of reasons.
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #88581 on: February 17, 2015, 10:20:52 pm »

Sometimes I wish I could just scream,
"I will not set myself on fire to keep you warm."
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #88582 on: February 17, 2015, 10:21:15 pm »

If you find a suitable cadaver and are willing to undergo some trauma you could theoretically transplant your brain to someone else's body.
Yeah, but that's your physical brain, not uploading it to a computer chip or something, which I assume is what's causing Descan to go into spasms.

Unless you're talking about doing so for the case of gender reassignment, in which case...
I suppose maybe it could theoretically work? But this also requires a dead person, so I can't imagine many people considering this as an option.

In any case, I certainly would not risk it.

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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #88583 on: February 17, 2015, 10:23:15 pm »

You know, if you ask me, all this "gender" stuff (not the physical stuff, mind you) is really a byproduct of early societies. If no sense of gender roles had ever developed, none of this would have happened.

But that's just me.
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #88584 on: February 17, 2015, 10:24:30 pm »

but you need a biological woman to offer a place to stash the fetus for a while

We still don't have any machines capable of doing that for us? Huh.
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #88585 on: February 17, 2015, 10:29:37 pm »

Man, are you familiar with how much shit women have to do to keep the things alive? I'm no expert any longer, but my recollection suggests that a society capable of building a machine that can carry a pregnancy to term is a society that can actually do that brain transplant sort of thing. Can we just take a minute to appreciate how crazy pregnancy is, and thereby how much crazier it is that it so often gets shrugged off as a minor thing?

You can get surprisingly far in a test tube with the right nutrient baths, and I might be wrong about needing a genetically-female person, but I can definitely guarantee we can't get the whole way through in a machine yet.
« Last Edit: February 17, 2015, 10:31:15 pm by Bauglir »
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In the days when Sussman was a novice, Minsky once came to him as he sat hacking at the PDP-6.
“What are you doing?”, asked Minsky. “I am training a randomly wired neural net to play Tic-Tac-Toe” Sussman replied. “Why is the net wired randomly?”, asked Minsky. “I do not want it to have any preconceptions of how to play”, Sussman said.
Minsky then shut his eyes. “Why do you close your eyes?”, Sussman asked his teacher.
“So that the room will be empty.”
At that moment, Sussman was enlightened.

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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #88586 on: February 17, 2015, 10:31:04 pm »

Biology is hard :P

I've read an article about how the huge hormone production  in women that are pregnant is because she is in constant combat with the fetus, who is continuously trying to wring more and more nutrients from its mother. Also why the placenta is made of some of the toughest cells in the body, so the mother can better resist the probing tendrils of the baby...

Edit: more specific example. The foetus produces a ton of vasodiliation hormones, the better to get more blood for more nutrients. The mother produces a ton of vasoconstriction hormones, to resist the foetus's efforts. The result? A delicate balance where the baby gets just enough nnutrients to develop. A mother who did not produce enough of the hormone would die.
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #88587 on: February 17, 2015, 10:33:05 pm »

Pregnancy is no less than one of the pillars of our mammalian superiority, one of the amazing adaptations that let us conquer the Earth.
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #88588 on: February 17, 2015, 10:37:39 pm »

Pregnancy is no less than one of the pillars of our mammalian superiority, one of the amazing adaptations that let us conquer the Earth.
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It's a taste of our badassery as a species. Embrace the human form. It is the most badass thing you've ever seen.

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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #88589 on: February 17, 2015, 10:38:06 pm »

"I will not set myself on fire to keep you warm."
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In the days when Sussman was a novice, Minsky once came to him as he sat hacking at the PDP-6.
“What are you doing?”, asked Minsky. “I am training a randomly wired neural net to play Tic-Tac-Toe” Sussman replied. “Why is the net wired randomly?”, asked Minsky. “I do not want it to have any preconceptions of how to play”, Sussman said.
Minsky then shut his eyes. “Why do you close your eyes?”, Sussman asked his teacher.
“So that the room will be empty.”
At that moment, Sussman was enlightened.
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