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Author Topic: Things that made you sad today thread.  (Read 9470506 times)

smeeprocket

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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #86190 on: January 03, 2015, 04:13:59 am »

done! You might have to remind me in the future since it it not in your sig. I've been trying to avoid quoting anyone who doesn't want to be quoted though.
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #86191 on: January 03, 2015, 04:28:32 am »

Thanks! You're a wonderful person.
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #86192 on: January 03, 2015, 04:40:34 am »

Also, I know you didn't mean it this way, and I think most people who use it when posting don't, but SJW is a slur. It is an insult towards right's activists.
People who perceive themselves as rights activists are not only not necessarily actually rights activists, but even if they are are not free from criticism or always (or often) correct. SJW is a well accepted term for general malignancy in the name of human rights. Trying to prevent its use only reinforces the idea that claiming a position for identity or rights exempts the holder from the rules of debate and criticism followed by everybody else.
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #86193 on: January 03, 2015, 04:49:13 am »

Also, I know you didn't mean it this way, and I think most people who use it when posting don't, but SJW is a slur. It is an insult towards right's activists.
People who perceive themselves as rights activists are not only not necessarily actually rights activists, but even if they are are not free from criticism or always (or often) correct. SJW is a well accepted term for general malignancy in the name of human rights. Trying to prevent its use only reinforces the idea that claiming a position for identity or rights exempts the holder from the rules of debate and criticism followed by everybody else.

I don't know how to respond to this since you are saying the rights these supposed SJWs fight for (feminism, anti-racism, lgbt related rights, etc) aren't really rights or something.

Just like I wouldn't want to be called a n-----r lover for supporting black rights, I don't want to be called an SJW for wanting equal rights for all humans.

The kind of people that throw that term around find rights activists "annoying" and feel they are ruining their right to mock and degrade other human beings. This is not an acceptable thing to do in the first place, but either way, I'd appreciate it if you respect my, and really every other activists' decision to not be referred to to what is, as far as we are concerned, a slur. It shows a deep lack of respect for others, a lack of respect for the issues we care about, and a lack of respect for us as people.
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #86194 on: January 03, 2015, 04:52:54 am »

I would continue this discussion further, but I think we've found the perfect dissent at the root of the argument.
So, awesome, next topic.
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #86195 on: January 03, 2015, 05:00:43 am »

Also, I know you didn't mean it this way, and I think most people who use it when posting don't, but SJW is a slur. It is an insult towards right's activists.
People who perceive themselves as rights activists are not only not necessarily actually rights activists, but even if they are are not free from criticism or always (or often) correct. SJW is a well accepted term for general malignancy in the name of human rights. Trying to prevent its use only reinforces the idea that claiming a position for identity or rights exempts the holder from the rules of debate and criticism followed by everybody else.

I don't know how to respond to this since you are saying the rights these supposed SJWs fight for (feminism, anti-racism, lgbt related rights, etc) aren't really rights or something.

Just like I wouldn't want to be called a n-----r lover for supporting black rights, I don't want to be called an SJW for wanting equal rights for all humans.

The kind of people that throw that term around find rights activists "annoying" and feel they are ruining their right to mock and degrade other human beings. This is not an acceptable thing to do in the first place, but either way, I'd appreciate it if you respect my, and really every other activists' decision to not be referred to to what is, as far as we are concerned, a slur. It shows a deep lack of respect for others, a lack of respect for the issues we care about, and a lack of respect for us as people.

"SJW" is used as a derogatory term for people who decree that you have no right to debate them, and they can treat you as shittily as they want, because you're a member of a "privileged" group that has no right to have any opinion on a subject because they're not part of the group, and any opposition to any policy that seeks to counter their argument is really because you're a racist sexist piece of shit rather than admit that there may be two sides to the issue.
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #86196 on: January 03, 2015, 05:02:42 am »

Yeah, if you seriously think that SJW is as bad as an actual racist slur, then you are racist. As an actual racial minority, I am rather offended that you think that being called an SJW is anywhere near as bad as being called an actual slur.
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #86197 on: January 03, 2015, 05:06:10 am »

I don't know how to respond to this since you are saying the rights these supposed SJWs fight for (feminism, anti-racism, lgbt related rights, etc) aren't really rights or something.
That's not even remotely my argument, and that you've taken it that way is a demonstration of what I'm talking about. It's not the supposition of the rights, it's the supposition that an individual's activities are positive simply because they believe them to be in the support of rights, which is something that is not necessarily true at all. It is a massive hole in the collective consciousness of rights supporters (that ironically makes it more difficult to obtain said rights, since anybody in opposition to a rights movement can see it easily and are turned off by the blatant hypocrisy that results), and its because of reactions like this.

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The kind of people that throw that term around find rights activists "annoying" and feel they are ruining their right to mock and degrade other human beings.
Except that you don't really know that. It's not all or nothing to support something, or people involved in something, or the actions of people involved in something. This applies to rights activists as much as any other social grouping.
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It shows a deep lack of respect for others, a lack of respect for the issues we care about, and a lack of respect for us as people.
You are not an issue, and cannot equate an opposition to something you've said or done as opposition to everything you believe down to their base principles. Disagreeing with someone also does not equate to disrespecting them, and you yourself acknowledged that the use of SJW has not been in line with what you consider it to be.
Just like I wouldn't want to be called a n-----r lover for supporting black rights, I don't want to be called an SJW for wanting equal rights for all humans.
While I imagine you have been called an SJW, this isn't really about you specifically. You (and anybody else) can say what they are for is equal rights for all human beings, but that doesn't actually make anything they do in favor of that cause. People almost never advocate what they are really believing or wanting, and so for there to be any recognition of truth even the most pristine concepts must have their followers analyzed. In this case, we see many people who claim the mantel of human rights when not congruent with that mantel, and then use it as a rhetorical shield (usually while amping up the emotional tension of the argument so far that it is almost certain to collapse into a fruitless singularity). That is a SJW.
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #86198 on: January 03, 2015, 05:44:17 am »

Listen guys can we not the SJW?


Is it really so hard to stop typing 3 goddamn letters that bothers someone on this forum

that you have to fucking argue about it?

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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #86199 on: January 03, 2015, 05:57:20 am »

It's more... people not being allowed to use it is kinda exacerbating the social issue even further...
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« Reply #86200 on: January 03, 2015, 05:58:06 am »

i don't even use sjw but somebody coming up here and saying something that isn't a slur is a terrible slur to be directly equated with shit the kkk spouted will cause nothing but make me want to use sjw more often

it cannot be helped
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #86201 on: January 03, 2015, 06:02:53 am »

GUYS. I think it's just difference of definition.
Settle down.
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #86202 on: January 03, 2015, 06:08:31 am »

I could post about my uncertain emotional state at present to divert the topic.
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #86203 on: January 03, 2015, 06:14:14 am »

I could post about my uncertain emotional state at present to divert the topic.

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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #86204 on: January 03, 2015, 06:15:11 am »

i don't even use sjw but somebody coming up here and saying something that isn't a slur is a terrible slur to be directly equated with shit the kkk spouted will cause nothing but make me want to use sjw more often

it cannot be helped

And then you step back from your monitor and remember that nobody said that. Chill out, re-read, have a think.
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