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Author Topic: Things that made you sad today thread.  (Read 9764500 times)

WillowLuman

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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #72600 on: April 05, 2014, 07:09:21 pm »

...how could you use symbolism to make a statue unique? Isn't it more the thoughts associated with a particular thing, like for example the connotations behind a cross? In a parallel universe most cultures, just randomly put together wood. HereTo a specific religion, a sign of martyrdom and holiness.
FTFY.

Oh, for crying out loud, it's in pretty much all cultures. Catholicism has spread nearly everywhere in some form, but besides this it's highly televised. Everyone sees the cross. Vampire movies, etc.
It has connotations. Whether or not you like said connotations, or even if I do, doesn't enter into it. Maybe the first aid cross? That go down better?
Knowing what other people think doesn't mean that you think those things.
Yeah, but just because you don't think something doesn't mean everyone who does is bullshitting you. Symbolism isn't some conspiricy or deception, it's just part of how people ascribe meaning.
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #72601 on: April 05, 2014, 07:10:50 pm »

Unless you're in highschool or an equivalent, in which case everybody is bullshitting you about symbolism.
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #72602 on: April 05, 2014, 07:13:11 pm »

This reminds me of my mom giving me printed webpages about pretty every evil non-Christian symbol ever.
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #72603 on: April 05, 2014, 07:29:18 pm »

...how could you use symbolism to make a statue unique? Isn't it more the thoughts associated with a particular thing, like for example the connotations behind a cross? In a parallel universe most cultures, just randomly put together wood. HereTo a specific religion, a sign of martyrdom and holiness.
FTFY.
This pretty much says it all. Your symbolic tattoo is art to nobody but yourself and the people it relates to, and don't expect anybody else to get the symbolism.
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #72604 on: April 05, 2014, 07:59:34 pm »

...how could you use symbolism to make a statue unique? Isn't it more the thoughts associated with a particular thing, like for example the connotations behind a cross? In a parallel universe most cultures, just randomly put together wood. HereTo a specific religion, a sign of martyrdom and holiness.
FTFY.
This pretty much says it all. Your symbolic tattoo is art to nobody but yourself and the people it relates to, and don't expect anybody else to get the symbolism.
Yes, but having symbolism that not everyone gets isn't somehow an affront or an assault on them. It's not an effort to bullshit or subjugate them. I don't get why the idea of symbolism itself suddenly seems so offensive.
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #72605 on: April 05, 2014, 08:00:49 pm »

I dunno what ya'll think art actually is if it isn't to symbolize something.

It's not pretty pictures for pretty pictures sake.
Wait, it isn't for most people?

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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #72606 on: April 05, 2014, 08:14:13 pm »

...how could you use symbolism to make a statue unique? Isn't it more the thoughts associated with a particular thing, like for example the connotations behind a cross? In a parallel universe most cultures, just randomly put together wood. HereTo a specific religion, a sign of martyrdom and holiness.
FTFY.
This pretty much says it all. Your symbolic tattoo is art to nobody but yourself and the people it relates to, and don't expect anybody else to get the symbolism.
Yes, but having symbolism that not everyone gets isn't somehow an affront or an assault on them. It's not an effort to bullshit or subjugate them. I don't get why the idea of symbolism itself suddenly seems so offensive.
I don't think it's symbolism, more the symbol I chose to demonstrate my point. Of course, despite being of a different culture from me and, unless they're agnostic, a different religion (or lack thereof) They still understood exactly what I meant. My point was that there are universal symbols. The first that came to mind was the cross. Another is the First Aid Cross. Another the Star of David, and yet another the white flag. Some symbolism relates to everyone (Except, of course, some very remote forest tribes, but they're numerically almost insignifant (At least, I assume so, though I haven't seen a population graph for them)

Really, if you get a tattoo with the cross on it, the star of David or (For whatever reason  :P) the white flag, you may safely assume that everyone you meet will understand at least to some extent the connotations. It's different if it's something like MZ's avatar, as it isn't universal, but some things are.
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #72607 on: April 05, 2014, 08:45:35 pm »

MZ's avatar is his Tattoo.
I think.
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #72608 on: April 05, 2014, 08:53:18 pm »

...how could you use symbolism to make a statue unique? Isn't it more the thoughts associated with a particular thing, like for example the connotations behind a cross? In a parallel universe most cultures, just randomly put together wood. HereTo a specific religion, a sign of martyrdom and holiness.
FTFY.
This pretty much says it all. Your symbolic tattoo is art to nobody but yourself and the people it relates to, and don't expect anybody else to get the symbolism.
Yes, but having symbolism that not everyone gets isn't somehow an affront or an assault on them. It's not an effort to bullshit or subjugate them. I don't get why the idea of symbolism itself suddenly seems so offensive.
No, no, I'm not offended by it. :P I'm simply explaining why not everybody appreciates tattoos (apart from the, you know, tattoo part). Totally fine with symbolism, not subjugating anyone.

for example, a pretty bird made of rainbows flying out of the eyehole of a skull being held in the mouth of a giant worm with a naked woman on its back, holding a sword. Want to call it art? Go right ahead. Not everyone will think it's pretty, and very few people will understand the symbolism. (or in this case, the reference.) To a lot of people, it'll be the weirdest tattoo they've ever seen. :P
(actually saying this more for the sake of reference than of argument, to be honest.)
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #72609 on: April 05, 2014, 08:57:44 pm »

I dunno what ya'll think art actually is if it isn't to symbolize something.

It's not pretty pictures for pretty pictures sake.
What's wrong with pretty pictures? People like pretty things as a general rule.

And symbolism is something I'm not too fond of, because it's usually bullshit that people make up to try and make a sculpture of a naked person unique and special compared to the millions of others there have been.
He sounds pretty offended, though.
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #72610 on: April 05, 2014, 09:02:37 pm »

I dunno what ya'll think art actually is if it isn't to symbolize something.

It's not pretty pictures for pretty pictures sake.
What's wrong with pretty pictures? People like pretty things as a general rule.

And symbolism is something I'm not too fond of, because it's usually bullshit that people make up to try and make a sculpture of a naked person unique and special compared to the millions of others there have been.
He sounds pretty offended, though.
Not offended, I think. Just disgusted at lack of originality, and using symbolism vainly. I think.
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #72611 on: April 05, 2014, 09:03:07 pm »

Gaaaaah. Having a panic attack over nothing.

Damn massive paranoia that the only reason mildly popular people commenting on a story means utter disaster.

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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #72612 on: April 05, 2014, 09:23:13 pm »

Yawn and the world yawns with you.
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #72613 on: April 05, 2014, 09:25:00 pm »

"Sleep-Those little slices of death. How I loathe them"
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #72614 on: April 05, 2014, 10:24:22 pm »

I saw Thor: The Dark World today. I liked it for the most part, except:
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