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[Descan]

I just really want 2 games. One that lets you play in a living (and I mean actually living, where people will move around, fall in love, have kids, create cities and towns, amass armies and change the landscape, create dams and flood, invade each other, etc) fantasy world where you can do and have done to you anything. So you could play as a child who's mother drops him at the monastery, train as a monk, then pledge to the order of the Paladins, go out and fight evil, get corrupted into a death-knight, and build a dark fortress and control a region of evil woods. Or play as a serf who's land was invaded by bandits and was kidnapped, join with those bandits to survive, rise up the ranks of the bandit to the right-hand-man of the warlord, kill him and take command, then subjugate some villages and towns, and give each bandit under your command a fief, creating a kingdom of your own like the Norse did. Or play as the second prince of the king, plotting against your elder brother to get onto the throne yourself, or set out to learn the secrets of magic and be a loyal sage under your brothers command.

The other game is basically the same thing, a living world, only this time you're an explorer in a New World style game, with natives and great stone cities and colonization, and you can set what your Old World is like, whether you're one of the European nations (any of them, from Estonia to France to Scotland to Finland or whatever) to a fantasy realm, to a Roman colonization, to a Norse-style Vinland world, to an African nation colonizing South America-style jungle, etc.

Those two games, and I'll have to wait like 30 years for technology and programming to get to the point where they're remotely possible. ;_;

[AlleeCat]

A lot of pieces of those ideas are already in other games. Guild Wars 2, Mount and Blade, Dwarf Fortress, and a bunch of different roguelikes and god games I can't name off the top of my head. But yeah, I have yet to see a game where all those features are put together.

I was playing Dungeon crawl as a ghoul necromancer the other day and raising up every corpse I could find to be my skeletal servants and eating the leftover flesh, and it was sort of satisfying, but I wish I could do more. I want a game where I can raise up entire hordes and armies of undead and lay waste to entire cities. I want to watch and laugh as the masses of writhing, rotting flesh wash over those pathetic mortals as they try desperately to fight back, and are ultimately consumed as fuel for my unstoppable unholy army. Unfortunately I don't know of a game that will let me do that, so I'll just stick to Crawl and Dungeon Keeper...

DF in a few releases will probably let you do that. You can kind of do that now in Adventure mode as a Necromancer.

Also check out the Solid and Shade mod for Mount and Blade (not Warband).

I only have Warband. Is there a way to downgrade my copy? Playing Mount and Blade as a necromancer sounds amazing.

[Descan]

No, they're separate. I think there's like... a file or two you need from Vanilla to make it run on Warband. What those files are and how well it'll run, I don't know.

[misko27]

Descan, I don't know how many Threetoe stories you have read, but you are basically describing exactly what DF aspires to. Word for word perhaps.

I mean really, that's the dream Toady works to. That is his DF 1.0.

[Dutchling]

You should try URR (Ultima Ratio Regum) as well. Still very Alpha, and it has discarded all fantasy elements a while ago, but still pretty much what you seem to want.

[scrdest]

No, they're separate. I think there's like... a file or two you need from Vanilla to make it run on Warband. What those files are and how well it'll run, I don't know.

Yep. I'll get you the things you need after I wake up and return from my exam. I'm actually typing from a phone, because sleepytimes.

[scriver]

Or play as a serf who's land was invaded by bandits and was kidnapped, join with those bandits to survive, rise up the ranks of the bandit to the right-hand-man of the warlord, kill him and take command, then subjugate some villages and towns, and give each bandit under your command a fief, creating a kingdom of your own like the Norse did.

* scriver glares at Descan.

like the Norse did.

]:∣

[Mr Space Cat]

I just really want 2 games. -snip-

Both games sound like they could be applied to a DnD campaign. You could even manage 'off-screen' NPC interactions and stuff to better simulate a flowing fantasy world, but it'd probably take way more work.

I was playing Dungeon crawl as a ghoul necromancer the other day and raising up every corpse I could find to be my skeletal servants and eating the leftover flesh, and it was sort of satisfying, but I wish I could do more. I want a game where I can raise up entire hordes and armies of undead and lay waste to entire cities. I want to watch and laugh as the masses of writhing, rotting flesh wash over those pathetic mortals as they try desperately to fight back, and are ultimately consumed as fuel for my unstoppable unholy army. Unfortunately I don't know of a game that will let me do that, so I'll just stick to Crawl and Dungeon Keeper...

I had a similar concept for a game in my head that I thought would make for a cool strategy-roguelike thing.

Spoiler: necromancer strategy game idea (click to show/hide)

Randomly generated world ala DF where you play as the necromancer who must build a tower and manage his undead army, resources, and technological/magical advancements while at the same time raiding towns for resource sto keep your undead army going and also defending from the heroic resistance that would get stronger and stronger as time went on.

The main appeal would be to provide as much strategic freedom in building an army as possible. Kill entire towns for corpses, remove all the meat from gathered corpses and use the bones to build skeletons for your main troops, bind metal plating to the skeletons' bones for additional armor, use leftover meat for building fleshy constructs that can have different abilities depending on your choices, build skeletal monsters from mismatching bits of bone. Enslave entire cities instead and use the people as sacrifices to summon demons and breed half-human half-demon monsters to act as a more sustainable source of soldiers. Use your resources to power magic instead and throw bare bones skeletons at your enemies while channeling destructive power through your otherwise feeble army.

Basically have an in-depth approach at building an army from scratch. The classic necromancy powers add a unique requirement in that you have to get your dead materials from somewhere, whether you raid old graveyards for minimal gains or burn entire cities to the ground and slaughter everything for maximum aggression, risk, and reward.

Obviously, the main roadblock for something like this is actually learning how to code the thing, in what language, with what resources, and actually sticking through to finish it. Considering it sounds like Dwarf Fortress complexity completely reworked into a strategy game, I doubt I'd ever do anything at all like it.

[scrdest]

The army crafting you describe is Solid and Shade in a nutshell.

[LeoLeonardoIII]

Or play as a serf who's land was invaded by bandits and was kidnapped, join with those bandits to survive, rise up the ranks of the bandit to the right-hand-man of the warlord, kill him and take command, then subjugate some villages and towns, and give each bandit under your command a fief, creating a kingdom of your own like the Norse did.

* scriver glares at Descan.

like the Norse did.

]:∣

Well they didn't exactly hold onto that kingdom, but isn't the basic story of the invasion of Britain by the Norse that some dudes came in, marauded, set up fiefs under their warlords, and tried to settle down and control the native population?

[Solifuge]

I was playing Dungeon crawl as a ghoul necromancer the other day and raising up every corpse I could find to be my skeletal servants and eating the leftover flesh, and it was sort of satisfying, but I wish I could do more. I want a game where I can raise up entire hordes and armies of undead and lay waste to entire cities. I want to watch and laugh as the masses of writhing, rotting flesh wash over those pathetic mortals as they try desperately to fight back, and are ultimately consumed as fuel for my unstoppable unholy army. Unfortunately I don't know of a game that will let me do that, so I'll just stick to Crawl and Dungeon Keeper...

Hmm... actually, this gives me a neat little idea. A game which puts you in a Victor Frankenstein role in a World War type scenario. Say you play as a mad scientist or necromancer, who secretly uses their unsavory experiments or magic or whatever to help protect the local village from a military invasion. You'd rob graves at night, maybe steal special equipment or research material, and raid battlefields for raw materials. You'd have to walk a fine line between making a large enough undead army to protect the village you live in from the invaders, while also keeping your activities secret from your neighbors so they don't end up chasing you out of town with pitchforks, or lynching you. A thanklessly heroic Necromancy Sim just seems like a neat concept. Something with gothic overtones, shambling skeletal hordes, and breath-stealing phantasms composed of shadow and ice. But styled to be a bit cute and vaguely Pikmin-like.

[My Name is Immaterial]

I just really want 2 games. -snip-

Both games sound like they could be applied to a DnD campaign. You could even manage 'off-screen' NPC interactions and stuff to better simulate a flowing fantasy world, but it'd probably take way more work.

I was playing Dungeon crawl as a ghoul necromancer the other day and raising up every corpse I could find to be my skeletal servants and eating the leftover flesh, and it was sort of satisfying, but I wish I could do more. I want a game where I can raise up entire hordes and armies of undead and lay waste to entire cities. I want to watch and laugh as the masses of writhing, rotting flesh wash over those pathetic mortals as they try desperately to fight back, and are ultimately consumed as fuel for my unstoppable unholy army. Unfortunately I don't know of a game that will let me do that, so I'll just stick to Crawl and Dungeon Keeper...

I had a similar concept for a game in my head that I thought would make for a cool strategy-roguelike thing.

Spoiler: necromancer strategy game idea (click to show/hide)

Randomly generated world ala DF where you play as the necromancer who must build a tower and manage his undead army, resources, and technological/magical advancements while at the same time raiding towns for resource sto keep your undead army going and also defending from the heroic resistance that would get stronger and stronger as time went on.

The main appeal would be to provide as much strategic freedom in building an army as possible. Kill entire towns for corpses, remove all the meat from gathered corpses and use the bones to build skeletons for your main troops, bind metal plating to the skeletons' bones for additional armor, use leftover meat for building fleshy constructs that can have different abilities depending on your choices, build skeletal monsters from mismatching bits of bone. Enslave entire cities instead and use the people as sacrifices to summon demons and breed half-human half-demon monsters to act as a more sustainable source of soldiers. Use your resources to power magic instead and throw bare bones skeletons at your enemies while channeling destructive power through your otherwise feeble army.

Basically have an in-depth approach at building an army from scratch. The classic necromancy powers add a unique requirement in that you have to get your dead materials from somewhere, whether you raid old graveyards for minimal gains or burn entire cities to the ground and slaughter everything for maximum aggression, risk, and reward.

Obviously, the main roadblock for something like this is actually learning how to code the thing, in what language, with what resources, and actually sticking through to finish it. Considering it sounds like Dwarf Fortress complexity completely reworked into a strategy game, I doubt I'd ever do anything at all like it.

I wonder if you could mod LCS to be like that.

[scriver]

Or play as a serf who's land was invaded by bandits and was kidnapped, join with those bandits to survive, rise up the ranks of the bandit to the right-hand-man of the warlord, kill him and take command, then subjugate some villages and towns, and give each bandit under your command a fief, creating a kingdom of your own like the Norse did.

* scriver glares at Descan.

like the Norse did.

]:∣

Well they didn't exactly hold onto that kingdom, but isn't the basic story of the invasion of Britain by the Norse that some dudes came in, marauded, set up fiefs under their warlords, and tried to settle down and control the native population?

No.

[Korbac]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norse_activity_in_the_British_Isles

CK II! You mean Sudreyjar wasn't behind all this!?! You fibbing piece of fib! XD

[IronTomato]

My cat got put down earlier.

He was 13. We'va had him for longer than I can remember.  tried not to be sad, and at first I wasn't. But just now, I went into the closet where he would usually wander into to sleep. I was going to let him up onto my bed, like always, but I looked, and remembered I wouldn't be able to do that anymore. For the first time forever, I am crying about losing a friend.

He stepped in my keyboard. He walked in front of my screen. He woke me up by sitting on my chest, and quite a few other things. I'll miss all of them. RIP.