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[Truean]

Some time ago I was appointed another client who evidently lives in a god damn tent and walks to her newly aquired temp job sorting parts.... I can't imagine why she's had a hard time now meeting the diversion program requirements that cost money, but not the community service aspect.... Homelessness is a thing, and people think it is not. I just can't imagine why she was shoplifting....

See, myself, the parole officer, and the judge (only because she used to be a defense attorney) get it. The rest of the salaried, benefits enjoying people working at the court do not, especially the clerk, who is older, judgmental and does not talk to people as part of her job. Their lives are provided for and they don't have to really deal with it beyond paperwork and a process.... They have the luxury of watching what passes for news but is actually brainwashing and the thing that keeps Walter Kronkite purpetually spinning in his grave... (all U.S. channels and programming, by the way). Meanwhile, this girl doesn't own so much as a phone and is said to be leeching off society....

Yes, there are sorry little ingrates who abuse the system, I've seen and represented them. They are not at all the entirity of the system and the easy-to-apply blanket lables people throw around are far from accurate, and applied by your average person, who per usual has never had to deal with reality....

Meanwhile we're still technically the richest country in the world (until China gets above us in maybe 10 years) but we have this.... Spending money on maintaining civilization, do it and stuff gets done; dont' do it and stuff does not. Simple. The natural state of things is not a superpower, and if people will not pay for it, then the natural state of things will come again....

[Vector]

Y'know... you might have some luck with some of those culture comparison psych study... thingies. They've done stuff where they compare facial expressions across cultures to look for similarities, and you might be able to get like a... list. With comparison notes between different examples and a general indication of what they're supposed to indicate.

Yeah, I was thinking mostly about... this.  Heard about it about four years ago, never had the time or interest in it.

I can read "pure" expressions (the basic six) if I work at it, but actual people making actual facial expressions are usually beyond me.

Oh well.

[Descan]

The way I see the whole "Honesty thing", is if someone doesn't respect me enough to be honest, why should I respect them enough to give two shits? :3

[Pnx]

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I still think you may be overestimating people's ability to read facial expressions. It's also seriously not that big of a deal.

Anyway, my sads for the day come from being kept up until late in the night due to a bad migraine, and the hour and a half of dentistry I just went through.

[Vector]

Its a big deal to me because I consistently read situations incorrectly.

[Pnx]

Its a big deal to me because I consistently read situations incorrectly.

I'd be kind of like to hear some examples, if it's not too prising of me to ask.

[DeKaFu]

Sad today: Reading this discussion and realizing I have absolutely no idea whether I can read facial expressions or not. AS, so supposedly not, but I've managed to so successfully avoid any daily situations where judging someone else's mood from their face and body language is relevant information, I'm not sure I have any data one way or the other.

[Vector]

Let's see... how about never being able to tell if people are mad at me or at all interested in what I'm saying?  I constantly think people are mad when they aren't.

[kaijyuu]

I have a tendency to not look at faces at all (probably makes me slightly awkward to talk to), so I usually read emotions from tone of voice and word choice.

Your inability to read emotion probably extends beyond facial recognition so I doubt that helps any




My sad: I have a weakness. I cannot tell people to stop talking to me or to go away unless I'm forced to. This usually isn't a big deal in real life, since the number of situations where I'm not forced to tell them something is small, but on the internet it can be a moderately big deal.

Sometimes I just stop reading and replying to private messages. The other person has no idea they might've done something wrong or offended me in any way; they're just left hanging. I, for some reason, cannot summon the courage to give them the simple courtesy of telling them what's up. Even if they're a total asshole they deserve to be told that they're an asshole, not just ignored and left to figure things out on their own.

I really feel I'd be more respectful to someone by telling them to fuck off than I would be by not saying anything at all. I don't do this because of ire toward them or anything; I do it because I'm afraid of confronting them on it. I'm a coward in this very specific circumstance and it's caused problems recently.

[Pnx]

Let's see... how about never being able to tell if people are mad at me or at all interested in what I'm saying?  I constantly think people are mad when they aren't.

I'm pretty sure everyone has that issue.

No offence intended, but that sort of sounds more like paranoid insecurity. I say this because I suffer from paranoid insecurity at times myself.

[kaijyuu]

Vector's autistic and one of the defining traits of autism is inability to read facial expressions, so I really doubt she's being paranoid.

[GlyphGryph]

I really feel I'd be more respectful to someone by telling them to fuck off than I would be by not saying anything at all. I don't do this because of ire toward them or anything; I do it because I'm afraid of confronting them on it. I'm a coward in this very specific circumstance and it's caused problems recently.

I know I ended up very angry at you for quite a while when you did something like this, and it still makes me upset thinking about it. It really is a terrible and frustrating thing to do to people, and doesn't really seem to work out well for you either often, or so it seems. :/
I know you're a good person, usually, but you do often seemed so scared of potential conflict that you end up hurting people who don't deserve it.

I'd much rather get punched in the face than have someone do this to me - it hurts a hell of a lot less.

Also, writing this post made me realize a lot of those bad vibes are still lingering. I'm gonna have to clear those out sooner or later. I really thought I'd completely gotten over it. >_>

[Pnx]

Vector's autistic and one of the defining traits of autism is inability to read facial expressions, so I really doubt she's being paranoid.

Yes, I'm aware of that Kaijyuu, I'm autistic too, I'm also aware that there's a certain syndrome some ASD people suffer from where they associate issues they have as being issues they have because they're ASD. I've had issues with this, as have people I've known AFK.

[MorleyDev]

One of the things I miss about the old MSN days was the ability to just go "Gotta go, cya!" and block them. As far as they knew you'd gone offline If they ever found out, most people understood if you say "I ran out of things to say and figured it was easier to just block you than leave the chat hanging awkwardly".

If only that worked in real life...

[GlyphGryph]

* GlyphGryph twitches with barely concealed rage.

Gah I hated people like you. So terrible. You bastard!

Also, that never worked for me, I was using multi-account aggregators with shared contact lists even from the early days, meaning I could see that you'd gone offline... for one, and only one, of my screen names.