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[Tiruin]

I don't know, I don't even feel like it's just this board.  I feel like external society is changing pretty quickly, too.  Things are getting much harder than they were.

I don't know if this is what you're referring to, but I feel like tensions are just rising in general.  I've been feeling that for a very long time, but I think it's starting to get really tangible.  People are drawing stricter lines between each other and getting more derisive about those who don't fall on their own side.  There's a plethora of issues I could have brought up 5 years ago and almost anyone would shrug at them, but now almost anyone has very strong opinions on.

Yeah.  This.

I didn't notice it so much when I was a child, but when I got to college and started to have any idea whatsoever about what was really going on... phew.  Things have really changed fast over the past five years.  Everyone's got an opinion and it feels like people are feeling much more justified in everyday meanness.

I'd like to wonder if it's the perspective on how you see things, but I'd agree to these ideas too. Bad news speaks a lot louder than good news, and tension in the environment tends to stress out people. Stress isn't good. :/

That, or I'm seeing much more in a broader view now. Though I still feel that the board hasn't changed at all, but the reactions that people incite to or from each other.

..Sad thing to note that people in their years become biased towards certain situations if detrimental effects get repeated over and over again that it's taken as granted (mostly when talking about people's interactions). Never liked how that works...

[SalmonGod]

Yeah, because if you're critical of consumerism and you ever spend money on something you like, you're a hypocrite.  Right up there with "Look!  Some of the Occupy protesters have iPhones!  The movement is completely invalidated!"

[misko27]

Oh damn, I had a whole post I wsa going to write about my arguing, and briefly mentioning a few other things, and now I lost it.

Ehh, the hell with it. Life's too short for such investments (actually, that sums up my new arguing strategy. Invest your argue when you need to, don't invest your all in anything, that Shakespeare proverb "give everyone your ear, but few your voice", and stay above the endless petty things to inflict hit and run wounds, while keeping your own position vague.)

-I don't always snip, but when I do, it's because it's a really long post. Stay inattentive, my friends-

Gentlemen, sometimes a Zombie is just a Zombie.

[Devling]

Yeah, because if you're critical of consumerism and you ever spend money on something you like, you're a hypocrite.  Right up there with "Look!  Some of the Occupy protesters have iPhones!  The movement is completely invalidated!"

Hey man, no need to be so aggressive!
If Occupy was specifically targeting iPhones, then yes it would be hypocritical.
Jeez.

[SalmonGod]

Yeah, because if you're critical of consumerism and you ever spend money on something you like, you're a hypocrite.  Right up there with "Look!  Some of the Occupy protesters have iPhones!  The movement is completely invalidated!"

Hey man, no need to be so aggressive!
If Occupy was specifically targeting iPhones, then yes it would be hypocritical.
Jeez.

Well, it's a type of criticism that I hear quite frequently, and is usually meant to be serious.  While I didn't mean to come across aggressively, it does touch a bit of a nerve.

[Max White]

I'm at least 90% sure you just fell victim to Devlings subtle humor, Salmon.

EDIT: In unrelated news, aparently Final Fantasy X is getting a HD remake... With the exact same graphics and voice clips. WHERE IS THE HD IN THAT SQUARE ENIX? WHERE IS THE HD IN THAT? You could have some fun putting FFVI in 3d, or made craploads with a shitty VII remake, but instead we get basically a port of a PS2 game and call it a remake?
Well... Atleast Kingdom Hearts 3 is going to be awesome, right? Right? Hold me...

[Bauglir]

Blegh, I need to relax. And I think maybe I should change my posting habits. I'm tired all the time, and at the same time I feel like I don't have any. For a while, I've pretty much been just posting in the Happy thread and any others that catch my eye, in an attempt to cut back on the amount of time I spend on the boards. But I've started to realize that "the ones that catch my eye" are ones where there's an argument happening and I want to convince somebody of... something. And I think that consistently posting in threads where all I'm doing is arguing is not healthy. Draining my energy into arguing is neither fun nor productive, and it eats up free time I could be using to actually get shit done or relax.

Looking back on the last page or two here, I'm somewhere between not alone and not helping anyone else. And, really, I've just expanded the amount of arguing I do to fit the time I was going to spend here anyway. Getting back into the emotion threads and the community, and cutting back on the debates might help.

[Blargityblarg]

The thing with money is, it gives you this false sense of security. You start feeling safer the more you have.. - rather than finding your security in God. The more you have the less you're inclined to 'believe' that you're needy...

Some girl from highschool posted this, and I fairly quickly did the mental arithmetic to realise that you could switch God and money around and have an equally valid statement, and yet I don't want to point it out because I'm sure any attempt at challenging the delivery of an affirmation of faith will be taken as a challenge to faith itself, and me explaining myself would only end up making in worse.

Not really a significant issue, but it's niggling away at me regardless. Humph.

[SalmonGod]

I'm at least 90% sure you just fell victim to Devlings subtle humor, Salmon.

EDIT: In unrelated news, aparently Final Fantasy X is getting a HD remake... With the exact same graphics and voice clips. WHERE IS THE HD IN THAT SQUARE ENIX? WHERE IS THE HD IN THAT? You could have some fun putting FFVI in 3d, or made craploads with a shitty VII remake, but instead we get basically a port of a PS2 game and call it a remake?
Well... Atleast Kingdom Hearts 3 is going to be awesome, right? Right? Hold me...

So many sads for how Square neglects FFVI.  At least I should be getting an absolutely massive and epic compilation of FFVI remixes in the mail from ocremix soon!

[Devling]

I'm at least 90% sure you just fell victim to Devlings subtle humor, Salmon.

I was about to say I "no of course not", but then I realized I was giggling like a madman.

[Vector]

Yeah.  I sympathize a lot with everyone here.

I don't think I'm necessarily going to stop posting, but I'm pretty sure I'm not going to be around nearly so often.

[Skyrunner]

Welp. I am both very tired and feel just weary to the bone. Might be a case of minor, passing depression. Or not.

Going to school or math hakwon is so tiring and it takes the everything out of me. I don't really feel like doing anything else after that. But the added stress that not doing so will make me fail hard is tiring me double.

[Mictlantecuhtli]

Yeah.  I sympathize a lot with everyone here.

I don't think I'm necessarily going to stop posting, but I'm pretty sure I'm not going to be around nearly so often.

Yeah, because if you're critical of consumerism and you ever spend money on something you like, you're a hypocrite.  Right up there with "Look!  Some of the Occupy protesters have iPhones!  The movement is completely invalidated!"

I know the feel, the terrible thing is this is the only place I have left in the whole internet. I feel like there is no where I can fit in except this here motley crew of misfits, a cast that is growing increasingly bare. The only other place I frequent is slashdot, and its a random conglomeration of nameless faceless techies. No one there to identify with like there is here.

Something else you and wilfor mentioned? Less people putting up a good fight against things that offend you? I know that I for one am more passive recently, partly from being incredibly overwhelmed with the shit going on in my life and my lack of support at home, partly because its stale old arguments, and partly because the world really has gone to hell and there are limits to how often I can respond to outrage and injustice in a day.

I think the community has changed. Its changed as people leave and join. Its changed as people grow older and wise. Its changed as people descend into depression and apathy...

This. This thing I wrote here, so poorly. Is en-saddening me.

Fellows. Going to say this easily as I can: I debate and argue because I love it. I'm an opinionated Jew. I find the exchange of ideas and perspective is all that keeps us from being an authoritarian society. But; you guys [and girl!] are mentioning the amount of debates and how you find them detrimental, whilst you actively take part in such threads nearly every time they come around. And likely will continue to, don't lie to me!

Your input is as necessary as everyone else's. I suggest trying to take it a bit less seriously. I definitely do not. Probably why I don't hold ideological grudges. Opinions change and debate topics come and go.

Trust me. Bay12 is nowhere near a bad place to argue things of substance, it might even be one of the last open forums where you will actually get anything out of it. I've been following the forums for a long, long time and there's nothing inherently different now community-wise than before. Just more people and sub boards to corral them. Along with Armok posting much less.

Blegh, I need to relax. And I think maybe I should change my posting habits. I'm tired all the time, and at the same time I feel like I don't have any. For a while, I've pretty much been just posting in the Happy thread and any others that catch my eye, in an attempt to cut back on the amount of time I spend on the boards. But I've started to realize that "the ones that catch my eye" are ones where there's an argument happening and I want to convince somebody of... something. And I think that consistently posting in threads where all I'm doing is arguing is not healthy. Draining my energy into arguing is neither fun nor productive, and it eats up free time I could be using to actually get shit done or relax.

Looking back on the last page or two here, I'm somewhere between not alone and not helping anyone else. And, really, I've just expanded the amount of arguing I do to fit the time I was going to spend here anyway. Getting back into the emotion threads and the community, and cutting back on the debates might help.

This post puts much perspective into it.

Made me sad today: Slept my goddamn entire night away. I hate that. So much.

[misko27]

It occured to me a lot of people do these time-saving things, and own these time-saving technologies, and for what? When is the last time you used the time you saved by, say, just writing a email instead of a letter, to actually go and and have a walk, or meditate, or sleep or something?!? Mostly people will use their "saved time" to pack more time-saving things into their lives.

[Truean]

Fairly good drummer. Got him off heroin which was briefly his new habit. Now he's smoking weed.... So, that but with a drum set. God damn it....

If you are going to make your living off music, then you need to practice. There is a practice space that I know this guy is not using. Are you going to be an actual musician, or are you going to be another damn druggy who is a [cough] "musician" [cough]? This guy needs to get his ass in there and practice, cause he's dragging everybody down.... Frankly, I'm sick of seeing him half baked or more often, completely baked.

You are a drummer dude; if you can't carry a damn beat, then what the hell? He's telling me to "relax...." Granted, I am high strung. Fine, I admit it. That said, you're so damn baked I'm surprised you're not in tin foil. I don't care about his whole view on "it should be legal, because it's no worse than alcohol." Dude, that does not change the fact that you are clearly abusing the pot man. I'm pretty sure you haven't eaten very much but Cheetos in the past 3 days, you orange fingered bastard.

You are the only thing defeating you. I cannot save you. Ultimately, you have to save you. And that this is met with a shrug and a mocking laugh is beyond tragic.