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[GlyphGryph]

I actively despise every therapist I've ever tried, but I also try to avoid burdening my friends and those I know with my shit for exactly the reason described in this thread. Which leaves me basically crawling through it on my own, but eh, what else can a person do. At least this seems to reinforce my belief that it's basically the only real option open to me.

[kaijyuu]

Yeah, there are some terrible therapists out there. Not gonna deny that.

I always suggest people shop around for one that they can stand.

[LordSlowpoke]

I'm stuck in a hotel on the outskirts of the capital, surrounded by idiots and best of all, that manager who sweettalked me earlier is behind this. I know he means well, but it's that it turned into a hush-hush mudflinging shitfest that ruins it for me.

Also, BBCode on phones is pain and you should know this.

[GlyphGryph]

Yeah, there are some terrible therapists out there. Not gonna deny that.
I always suggest people shop around for one that they can stand.

I'm pretty sure such people don't actually exist. The best I've found is one (and only one) that failed to consistently and actively make things worse. Note that this wasn't improvement, just a failure to exacerbate the problem.

I am much, much better off without therapists. (or medication, for that matter, but then it's pretty fucking obvious getting a psychiatrist willing to give me more than 5 minutes a month is well out of my price range and what can you expect, eh?)

Honestly, I don't know how psychiatric "help" manages to help anyone. It boggles my mind. The whole process is draining, demoralizing, dehumanizing, nonsensical, unscientific, and horribly, horribly frustrating. The only good experiences I've had, oddly enough, were signing myself up as a guinea pig - it's the only time I ever felt like someone cared how things turned out (even if they only cared for the purpose of the study, hell, that's something at least).

For me, at least, psychiatric help (whether chemical or therapeutic) is the quickest way to turn "depressed" into "suicidal", and since I'm interested in not killing myself it's something I now strive to avoid.

[Kadzar]

Yeah, there are some terrible therapists out there. Not gonna deny that.
I always suggest people shop around for one that they can stand.

I'm pretty sure such people don't actually exist. The best I've found is one (and only one) that failed to consistently and actively make things worse. Note that this wasn't improvement, just a failure to exacerbate the problem.

I am much, much better off without therapists. (or medication, for that matter, but then it's pretty fucking obvious getting a psychiatrist willing to give me more than 5 minutes a month is well out of my price range and what can you expect, eh?)

Honestly, I don't know how psychiatric "help" manages to help anyone. It boggles my mind. The whole process is draining, demoralizing, dehumanizing, nonsensical, unscientific, and horribly, horribly frustrating. The only good experiences I've had, oddly enough, were signing myself up as a guinea pig - it's the only time I ever felt like someone cared how things turned out (even if they only cared for the purpose of the study, hell, that's something at least).

For me, at least, psychiatric help (whether chemical or therapeutic) is the quickest way to turn "depressed" into "suicidal", and since I'm interested in not killing myself it's something I now strive to avoid.

What the fuck kind of terrible therapists have you been going to?

When I used to go to my therapist (before I was dropped from my parents insurance for not being in school anymore) she did occasionally make me do things I didn't feel like doing, and she was never really able to get me over my general lack of motivation, but there were a lot of things she did help me with, and I knew that she did what she did because she wanted me to improve.

Therapy is definitely one of those things where you need someone who actually cares about what they're doing, rather than just someone who's there to collect a check.

[GlyphGryph]

Spoiler: Rant rant rant (click to show/hide)

The worst part is that I spent a number of months tracking, charting, and trying to analyze about a dozen different variables my research had led me to believe might be valuable, I created charts and graphs of possible correlations, At the very least you'd think they'd be interested in how my status was changing over time during the course of the therapy session, but I was never once even able to get someone to bloody well look at the damn thing. I never managed to get anyone who had any interest in anything I did, or interested in any potential solutions.

I even had one say that that sort of thing wasn't important, and if it would be better if I just "accepted" the therapy. (I simply left, right there, first session.) If you aren't interested in at LEAST whether or your not your fucking therapy is doing any god damn good (and again, I was never able to find anyone even willing to recognize the basic mood tracking data, which would have indicated anything in the way of progress)

I wasn't even a stickler about how progress was tracked. I was open to pretty much anything. But none of them, not one, could even outline a rudimentary plan for improvement even after several months with me. That is simply unacceptable.

So I finally ran the analysis myself, identified several causal factors, tried out numerous variations while keeping careful track of how things changed, and developed a plan for improvement, a number of powerful short-circuits I could use to avoid spirals, and an approach for dealing with the problem based around identifying the factors that led to increased and reduced severity. (hint: It worked pretty damn well, and most of my failings are due to terrible follow through) I'm fairly confident I could have done significantly better with help, had their been anyone interested in actually helping me instead of securing my continued attendance in time wasting, pointless sessions of bullshit and faux concern.

But here's the problem with the psychiatric field: As far as they are concerned, you don't exist. It's that simple. They don't care about the numbers tracking, or environment, or the various contributing factors or details... or, if they do care, they are simply incapable of processing and understanding them. They have a formula built to work "more often than not", and if you fall into the 'not' group you get fucked because that's all their capable of doing. It's as if doctors treated every patient that complained of leg pain with a cast, without bothering to do an x-ray or even consider the alternatives... and if, in four months, your leg still hurts, then we'll try bandaging it up and see if that helps! It's ludicrous.

If I approached problems that way for my job (and I work at a far simpler job than psychiatry or therapy) I would be fired within the week, and never able to find a position in the field again. If I proposed that I pushed a solution because "It usually works", on the vaguest understanding of the problems detailed, and tried to justify that to my managers, I would be laughed out of the building.

[Vector]

Yeah, I've been on both sides, too--and I honestly don't have trouble with helping out friends, or even complete strangers.  I go out of my way to override my "I don't care" response when I think it's the right thing to do.  The problem, for me, is when folks basically start treating me like an on-call therapist, and basically contacting me every time they has a twinge of the sads.  It's one thing to talk about something when something good might come out of it, but I have a really hard time knowing what to do when someone comes up with the same problem over and over and over again, no change in the situation, no change in my reaction, no apparent desire to work on the problem.  You see, when I wound up in that scenario, I realized that I could just tell myself the things that I knew they were going to say, and thus only one of us ended up bored.

On the other hand, I suppose that most people don't stop being depressed because of revulsion for ennui >_>

Seconding the thing about therapy.  Really didn't work.  I've actually had other friends who, apropos of nothing, mentioned that there are just classes of people talk therapy doesn't tend to work for, so I suspect that we may be both members of that group.


Joe Blow Depresso wasn't in lecture this morning and my "friend" the DM decided that, because I made a comment about my mom hating LA, he needed to attack both of us personally (he basically called both of us stupid).  I also told him before this about my professor saying nice things about how I should go off and try to hack it as a comedy writer (not going to happen, but I thought I'd share the compliment) and he went on and on about how "as a person who actually knows comedy writers, the failure rate is 99.95%."  Yeah, I also joked about joining a convent a while ago and he said I was too much of a party girl to make it as a nun and practice asceticism.  Fuck this guy.

I'll talk to him when I'm feeling a little bit better, but man, he heard about the party we threw a mutual friend when he was out of town and commented about how he wished the guy "could have had a real party," we went off and got food together another time and of course, lots of comments about how he was glad about some dish or other so that the eating establishment was "good enough for him," and on and on and on complimenting himself on his mother's riches and fame.

Especially around me, because I let slip that my family was poor and from a rural area.

Fuck this guy.

[Solifuge]

Fuck this guy.

Oh wonderful, one of those people who judge and put-down the rest of world with their every breath. I know those; my best (and pretty much only remaining) high school friend went through a Condescending phase kinda like that. I can be stupidly forgiving when it comes to my friendships, but this was getting pretty bad.

I think it's that whole "Put down the rest of the world to elevate yourself," modus operandi. Rather than building a life worthy of feeling good about, or even being able to see the good in anything.

[Vector]

The professor also knows comedy writers!  All of her buddies from college became comedy writers, including apparently knowing one of the dudes who launched King of the Hill personally and being really close pals with Conan O'Brien's roommate!  Where does this guy get off?!

I think it's that whole "Put down the rest of the world to elevate yourself," modus operandi. Rather than building a life worthy of feeling good about, or even being able to see the good in anything.

Yeah, this.  I want to deck him.  I don't need figurative being pissed-on to go with the literal version.

[Jopax]

Got kicked out of the lab exercise because I made a stupid mistake on the entrance exam. I made the mistake because I was still groggy and missing several hours of sleep. I was missing several hours of sleep because I couldn't finish the lab reports on time. I couldn't finish them on time because I was tired and hungry and couldn't think clearly, so a simple problem took almost two hours to solve.

Lack of sleep, it is bad, do not do it.

[Ogdibus]

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[Truean]

Had steak sandwich. The steak was so raw it was trying to order the salad.

Quitting this job. Told guy I had never done personal injury cases before. He said he'd show me how and train me. This consisted of him throwing several cases at me and wondering why the tasks on them weren't done within a couple hours. Also, he doesn't wanna pay anything. Bye.... Boss is not here for me to quit. I'm leaving.

Not on same page. Not. It's like those people who have a little cake and a "party" for their dog's birthday. They're the only ones who think it makes sense. The rest of us are just thinking they're crazy. The dog either doesn't understand or is sad because it's the first time anyone has remembered his or her birthday in seven years.

[Greiger]

I'm sorry truean, at least you still have your sense of humor.

...Internet hugs for everyone!  Even you greatorder, I'll just make sure I take some extra vitamin C and look for immune boosting stuff after yours.

[Scelly9]

Heard an interview with the bombers aunt an the radio. 

[Neonivek]

Well it took a while but now GoG (Good Old Games) is officially becoming a site like all the others.

I am kinda sad... but the people have spoken and DLC, Unfinished games, incomplete games, and new releases are the new future.

I thought it was a slip up but apparently that was the direction they wanted to go.

Ohh well I am sure they will be more popular because of this shift.