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Devling

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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #60075 on: April 08, 2013, 12:54:59 am »

I am an atheist. I do not believe their is no god. When sufficient reasonable evidence is presented before me, I will accept the existence of a god until further evidence should discredit this model.
I do not have faith in any theological ideals, I do not need it, I do not want it.
Isn't that what an agnostic is? Or is it someone who believes in the possibility of god? Or something?

Also, if being a nihilist means that there is no objective purpose to life, then I'm apparently that.
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #60076 on: April 08, 2013, 12:55:25 am »

friend-of-friend who I've only heard the name of and maybe seen once or twice committed suicide.

This affected me emotionally more than I would expect.

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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #60077 on: April 08, 2013, 12:56:51 am »

Mostly because religion devolves threads into headaches and bans. Almost inevitably. And I like you guys! Don't get banned!

and i wanna talk about songs and happy sads and canadas D:
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #60078 on: April 08, 2013, 12:59:03 am »

Ninjad:
You know what Descan? I like you. You are actually one of my favorite people here... so for you, I will not post what I was about to say in hopes of ending this debate.
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« Reply #60079 on: April 08, 2013, 12:59:10 am »

Mostly because religion devolves threads into headaches and bans. Almost inevitably. And I like you guys! Don't get banned!

and i wanna talk about songs and happy sads and canadas D:
Yeah, this.

C'mon, how many religion threads have we had? And how many have devolved into flame wars and eventual locks?
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #60080 on: April 08, 2013, 01:02:39 am »

Mostly because religion devolves threads into headaches and bans. Almost inevitably. And I like you guys! Don't get banned!

and i wanna talk about songs and happy sads and canadas D:
Okay yeah.
So about that Canada...
What's up with that? I've always wondered how Canada and the US were different.
Anybody who has been to both places here who could inform me?
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« Reply #60081 on: April 08, 2013, 01:03:18 am »

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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #60082 on: April 08, 2013, 01:05:46 am »

Those who seem to not understand what Atheism and Agnosticism is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNDZb0KtJDk

It's sad when people don't understand the words they use.
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #60083 on: April 08, 2013, 01:05:57 am »

Ninjad:
You know what Descan? I like you. You are actually one of my favorite people here... so for you, I will not post what I was about to say in hopes of ending this debate.
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eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!~

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« Reply #60084 on: April 08, 2013, 01:06:11 am »

Isn't that what an agnostic is? Or is it someone who believes in the possibility of god?

AFAIK, an agnostic is someone who believes that confirmation or denial either way is impossible. That you cannot know if there is a god or not.
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #60085 on: April 08, 2013, 01:06:41 am »

Mostly because religion devolves threads into headaches and bans. Almost inevitably. And I like you guys! Don't get banned!

and i wanna talk about songs and happy sads and canadas D:
Okay yeah.
So about that Canada...
What's up with that? I've always wondered how Canada and the US were different.
Anybody who has been to both places here who could inform me?
Canada is colder. They say "eh" a lot and eat nothing but moose. The hair of Canadians turns white in the winter for better camouflage.

These may or may not be true.
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« Reply #60086 on: April 08, 2013, 01:08:27 am »

Only if you are constantly hallucinating. At the end of the day, even if one accepts that science or knowledge involves "faith", that doesn't change objective reality. Someone who has faith in vaccines will get a different result than someone who has faith in prayer circles. But you'll never get a scientific test that shows prayer circles work instead of vaccines. What I am saying, Vector, is that ultimately I have seen enough applied knowledge to feel justified in believing that we can know things through the proper procedure, and that procedure is science.

After those two or three weeks, the tension between what I think is true and what other people think is true was somewhat enhanced (I'd been having paranoid delusions that people were trying to kill me for about a year prior).  Things aren't true just because a majority--even a vast majority--says so... things are true because they are true.  Right?  But there are so many instances of science being fallible.  That isn't to say we should throw scientific theory out with the bathwater!  It's just to say that I'm not particularly likely to point at something and say "that's true."  I think it's more appropriate to say: "This is what we think is true right now."

The thing is, we can look at the findings of the past, some pseudoscientific, and say: "Those were not science."  But at the time they were seen as science; they were known to be scientific; they were believed in with the same fervor in which we believe in the science of our own time.

What I'm saying is, the tyranny of the present has a nontrivial impact here.  It may be decreasing, but I'm a skeptic and so there.


Also, if being a nihilist means that there is no objective purpose to life, then I'm apparently that.

I guess I am, too... ?  Feh.  The taxonomy of all this gets confusing.


C'mon, how many religion threads have we had? And how many have devolved into flame wars and eventual locks?

Fine, I'll cut to the chase.  I am in a very bad position in terms of dating because the atheists think I'm a moron and the religious folk seem to think I'm bound for hell or to be converted, and a great many people don't understand the idea of "I am a theist and I refuse to affiliate.  With anything."

Thus far, I have dated: atheists.  I am scared of dating a: Catholic, because the: internet talks a whole lot of smack about how people of different faiths cannot know each other fully blah bah blah wouldn't it be great if your partner converted.  And I think the person is interested, because he is sure as heck acting kind of interested, and I'm scared.  My mom was raised Serious Catholic; my father was raised Serious Lutheran; neither of them converted and I have never heard them dispute religion once; I'm still scared.

So there.  That's why I'm shouting about religion in the sad thread.  Because I'm scared and I've never thought making my heart submit to unemotional reason (i.e. telling it to stop falling in love) was a positive, therefore I feel stupid.

We can talk about my being scared, if you want.  I might even feel better.


friend-of-friend who I've only heard the name of and maybe seen once or twice committed suicide.

This affected me emotionally more than I would expect.

My condolences... I'm sorry for your loss.
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #60087 on: April 08, 2013, 01:20:35 am »

Those who seem to not understand what Atheism and Agnosticism is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNDZb0KtJDk

*Thank you for that Lysabild, I would highly endorse people to watch this is they think atheism is a position of faith.

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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #60088 on: April 08, 2013, 01:22:06 am »

I think knowing that the sun will come up tomorrow is a position of faith.  Sooo I think this is probably a conversation where I'm nit-picking the definitions enough that I should probably butt out.
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #60089 on: April 08, 2013, 01:34:23 am »

friend-of-friend who I've only heard the name of and maybe seen once or twice committed suicide.

This affected me emotionally more than I would expect.

My condolences... I'm sorry for your loss.
What she said.

After those two or three weeks, the tension between what I think is true and what other people think is true was somewhat enhanced (I'd been having paranoid delusions that people were trying to kill me for about a year prior).  Things aren't true just because a majority--even a vast majority--says so... things are true because they are true.  Right?  But there are so many instances of science being fallible.  That isn't to say we should throw scientific theory out with the bathwater!  It's just to say that I'm not particularly likely to point at something and say "that's true."  I think it's more appropriate to say: "This is what we think is true right now."
Personally my refusal to use absolute language drives a lot of people I know nuts...

Also, if being a nihilist means that there is no objective purpose to life, then I'm apparently that.

I guess I am, too... ?  Feh.  The taxonomy of all this gets confusing.
Yeah it does... Like I said I only realised there was really a name for what I believed in, and that it was actually Nihilism which I'd thought was something else, after I explained my beliefs as being "I don't hold anything to be intrinsically true, also I don't think good or evil really exist outside of the relative perception of human beings", and someone told me "Yup, that's nihilism, look it up sometime".

I personally don't throw these sorts of labels around often, especially since most people don't even know what nihilism actually is.

C'mon, how many religion threads have we had? And how many have devolved into flame wars and eventual locks?

Fine, I'll cut to the chase.  I am in a very bad position in terms of dating because the atheists think I'm a moron and the religious folk seem to think I'm bound for hell or to be converted, and a great many people don't understand the idea of "I am a theist and I refuse to affiliate.  With anything."

Thus far, I have dated: atheists.  I am scared of dating a: Catholic, because the: internet talks a whole lot of smack about how people of different faiths cannot know each other fully blah bah blah wouldn't it be great if your partner converted.  And I think the person is interested, because he is sure as heck acting kind of interested, and I'm scared.  My mom was raised Serious Catholic; my father was raised Serious Lutheran; neither of them converted and I have never heard them dispute religion once; I'm still scared.

So there.  That's why I'm shouting about religion in the sad thread.  Because I'm scared and I've never thought making my heart submit to unemotional reason (i.e. telling it to stop falling in love) was a positive, therefore I feel stupid.

We can talk about my being scared, if you want.  I might even feel better.
You know how I'm bad at flat pragmatic answers? Well here's one for you.

Your beliefs really may not be compatible. A lot of people may tell you that the religious beliefs shouldn't matter if you love him, but if he's the type to use Catholicism to construct his morality, and justify his actions, this is something that may sit very badly with you, and might wind up making the two of you very miserable down the road. That's not to say it might not work out anyway, but it really is a valid issue. And before you do go into the relationship, it should probably be something you deal with.

Also the world is absolutely full of people who have no clue what they're doing with relationships, because they were taught by people that also have no clue what they were doing with relationships. Don't listen to other people's advice too heavily on this stuff.
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