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[RedKing]

The problem is eavesdropping busybodies like her make people less sympathetic to the victims of real harrassment.

Overhear some non-threatening jokes you don't like, vs. being shot in the face for daring to go to school.

Educated, financially stable women have fewer kids, which cuts overpopulation, which reduces strain on the environment, which might stop a total ecological collapse.

If you  read the article you would know that she wasn't just a busybody who overheard something that someone said.

She was having a conversation with another developer and the guy butted in with the jokes, she asked him to stop and he didn't.

Ummm, no she didn't.

I decided to do things differently this time and didn’t say anything to them directly

She admits herself that she didn't say anything to them. To me, that's where she loses some moral high ground. If she had asked them to stop, and they didn't, then they're asswipes. If they were just being goofy geek guys and riffing off the humour of the moment (lame as it was), then I don't think they deserve a wrath storm.

C'mon, tell me you can't see Phil Ken Sebben pulling this one?

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[Nadaka]

I must have missed that part of the article.

[kaijyuu]

I'm totally on the author's side if she wants to talk about non-professionalism or whatever. And depending on the content of the jokes, they could've been sexist as well (I wasn't totally clear on the content of them from skimming the article). Mentioning dongles is not sexist.


If anything, I'd say assuming women are offended by sexual jokes by virtue of being women is sexist and prejudiced.

[Pnx]

Am I a bad person for thinking "I wish more people would get fired for expressing a really bad sense of humour"?

Unless you mean making bad puns (which would mean I could never have a job again) I'm not sure. Humor is complicated.

Mostly it's just when people are just nowhere near as funny as they think they are. I don't mind when people do playful bad puns and such, but when they're just making jokes that just aren't that funny, but they obviously feel they're funny. It kind of bothers me.
I mean comedy is an art form, and even if I'm not the greatest artist on the block, I'm pretty acutely aware of it. When something is funny, I'm aware exactly why it's funny. When someone makes a really bad joke, or just executes a a good joke badly, it's quite often pretty damn painful.

TL;DR
Comedy can be pretty serious business for me.

EDIT: Also, yes, I'd probably easily wind up being fired from a job if bad humour were really an excuse to get fired.

[kaijyuu]

Ah, but if they fall particularly flat, they're funny due to how horrible they are!

[Graknorke]

Ah, but if they fall particularly flat, they're funny due to how horrible they are!

There's many jokes where the real punchline is how bad they are. They're the only ones I can tell.

[The Merchant Of Menace]

I'm totally on the author's side if she wants to talk about non-professionalism or whatever. And depending on the content of the jokes, they could've been sexist as well (I wasn't totally clear on the content of them from skimming the article). Mentioning dongles is not sexist.


If anything, I'd say assuming women are offended by sexual jokes by virtue of being women is sexist and prejudiced.

My experience with jokes of that variety suggest that they were: 'I'd fork that repo. I'd fork it hard' and 'Hehe, I've got a huge dongle'

[kaijyuu]

Neither of those strike me as sexist in any way.

Append "like a whore" to the end of the first one and you've got a sexist joke. You have to actually insult someone's gender, not just mention having sex or genitalia.

[Pnx]

Ah, but if they fall particularly flat, they're funny due to how horrible they are!

There's many jokes where the real punchline is how bad they are. They're the only ones I can tell.

This is true, there's ones that are so bad they're good, and there's ones where having a bad punchline is really part of the joke.

But on the other hand while there's "so bad it's good" jokes, there's also "so bad it's worse" jokes.

My experience with jokes of that variety suggest that they were: 'I'd fork that repo. I'd fork it hard' and 'Hehe, I've got a huge dongle'

Prime example, right here.

[Vector]

The problem is eavesdropping busybodies like her make people less sympathetic to the victims of real harrassment.

Overhear some non-threatening jokes you don't like, vs. being shot in the face for daring to go to school.

I don't know how to put this politely, but please understand that I don't actively want to be offensive.  Classifying what women face in the Western world as "not real harassment" because it isn't the maximum bad outcome isn't helpful.  Being catcalled or working in an environment that trades in rape jokes is real harassment.  It's a real problem.

[Graknorke]

The problem is eavesdropping busybodies like her make people less sympathetic to the victims of real harrassment.

Overhear some non-threatening jokes you don't like, vs. being shot in the face for daring to go to school.

I don't know how to put this politely, but please understand that I don't actively want to be offensive.  Classifying what women face in the Western world as "not real harassment" because it isn't the maximum bad outcome isn't helpful.  Being catcalled or working in an environment that trades in rape jokes is real harassment.  It's a real problem.

But nobody was being harassed in that context. Nobody at all.
It was just some shitty jokes.

[Scelly9]

The problem is eavesdropping busybodies like her make people less sympathetic to the victims of real harrassment.

Overhear some non-threatening jokes you don't like, vs. being shot in the face for daring to go to school.

I don't know how to put this politely, but please understand that I don't actively want to be offensive.  Classifying what women face in the Western world as "not real harassment" because it isn't the maximum bad outcome isn't helpful.  Being catcalled or working in an environment that trades in rape jokes is real harassment.  It's a real problem.

But nobody was being harassed in that context. Nobody at all.
It was just some shitty jokes.

And most likely the said shitty jokes where being made assuming that the person they where with would be the only person to ever hear them.

[Vector]

Yes, I've already posted about that quite a bit.  I may have misunderstood kaenneth's point or opinion, but what I was trying to do was clarify that the beginning of harassment starts quite a bit earlier than "shot in the face."  He may or may not hold this opinion already; however, most of the people I see who make this dichotomy fall into the "not" category.

Bleh.

And most likely the said shitty jokes where being made assuming that the person they where with would be the only person to ever hear them.

At a conference?  Really?

[Scelly9]

And most likely the said shitty jokes where being made assuming that the person they where with would be the only person to ever hear them.

At a conference?  Really?

Yes. They where sitting next to each other, in a crowd, that was (mostly) paying attention to the speaker. In that situation, when people talk, they talk to whoever is next to them, not to whoever happens to be around.

[Vector]

Okay.  Well, in Vector's sad for the day, my best friend didn't even tell me she was back from spring break and I'm going to get back an essay on which I did rather badly.