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[Owlbread]

A poem I rediscovered.

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At the Stones of Callanish yesterday I heard one woman saying to another: 'This is where they burnt the children in early times'. I did not see druids among the planets nor sun nor robe: but I saw a beautiful blue ball like heaven cracking and children with skin hanging to them like the flags in which Nagasaki was sacrificed.

[Tiruin]

And she doesn't really specify exactly how long these carried on. From all I can read in her blog there were two individual jokes.
Christ, I make jokes like that all the time.

Or perhaps specify what has happened to them other than...losing their jobs. While it was inappropriate, it seems just like two lines being heard. Not including everyone else around who could have also passively heard it. Nor were they specified jokes...or overtly aimed at anyone with any following reaction.

That was some mistake not owned up to by the 'victim'.


Sad: College realization. Most subjects are completely a leap in knowledge given the course you're taking.

You think you know much by Elementary > You think you know much by High school > You think you're ready by college > You realize how little you knew at a PhD level.

That said, college shock due to the quick pace of subjects and the current...requirements given out which don't seem to actually be practically forwarding what is learned in those subjects.

I mean, I want to learn, yeah. But setting me up with the threat of "failure if I cannot memorize these terms in this time period" isn't one of those criteria. Brains are sponges...differing in how they soak it up.

[Pnx]

Am I a bad person for thinking "I wish more people would get fired for expressing a really bad sense of humour"?

[kaenneth]

:[  I think Bay12 needs some sort of international foster care home to take our young folks away from their dangerous surroundings then give them a safe place to live.

Just give them a pickaxe, a wood axe, and an anvil, then drop them off in the mountains, they'll be fine.

My bread keeps attracting all kinds of microbial motherfuckers.

read as 'beard'

[Solifuge]

Am I a bad person for thinking "I wish more people would get fired for expressing a really bad sense of humour"?

Unless you mean making bad puns (which would mean I could never have a job again) I'm not sure. Humor is complicated.

A "developer advocate", whatever that means, cost a father of three his job due to him making one of the oldest jokes in the industry.

Honestly, I think I'm too accepting of jokes like that... I'm a little burned out on them, to be honest. My friends can be pretty bad (some folks might have heard them on Livestream or Youtube before), and when they cross a line, it's hard for me to summon the will to explain what's wrong about it, and the social problems related to them.

Humor is... weird. Satire and such is expected to stay apart from propriety, and humor can be funny because it's tasteless and crass- knowingly saying things that would be awful if they were meant in honesty. The joke is that saying those things would make you a terrible human being... it's like a meta form of self-deprecation humor.

I guess the spirit behind making Dongle jokes is akin to the spirit is behind jokes about homosexuality, euthanasia, racism, sexism, whatever. On one hand. using these as subject matter for jokes can be a way to vent tension about the very real and obvious issues the world is going through. But when some people out there still agree with the sentiments you're joking about, it can mask or distract from the seriousness of the problem, and cause new problems to arise.

The guys in the linked story probably didn't really feel that computer science was a man's game, in which women didn't belong... they were trying to be witty (hurhur dongle sounds like penis). And, you know, the woman has a right to be offended by thinly-veiled sexual content in a public environment. Some people aren't cool with that. And things like this can make people feel victimized, so it's not always easy for them to approach the source of their discomfort.

In the linked story, I think the best situation would have been for the staff at the conference not to have gotten the guys fired for making dongle jokes, but rather to take the guys and the woman aside, and facilitate an open conversation between them, to help them understand one another. Punishments don't address the root of the problem, they just make people feel resentful, and can cause even further regression into old ideas. However, if you sit down and talk, and come to a greater understanding of other people who are different than you, you both might just learn something.

[kaenneth]

The problem is eavesdropping busybodies like her make people less sympathetic to the victims of real harrassment.

Overhear some non-threatening jokes you don't like, vs. being shot in the face for daring to go to school.

Educated, financially stable women have fewer kids, which cuts overpopulation, which reduces strain on the environment, which might stop a total ecological collapse.

[Solifuge]

I totally hear you, and I don't mean to defend her too hard. I just think we should spend less time arguing over what qualifies as harassment, and more time understanding how both involved parties feel, and why they do what they do.

When you're just talking about making and tweaking a definition, you've lost the whole point of the exercise.

[DrPoo]

Im loosing control.. just loosing it.
Someone save me man pleasse. Someone.

Im not praying to god. Im not praying to god. I dont talk to things that dosent exist.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

Given events up until now, it would be wise for you to talk to a psychologist, if you haven't already.

[MaximumZero]

tvtropes appears to be dead at the moment.

[RedKing]

tvtropes appears to be dead at the moment.

I'd check for myself, but I'm afraid this is Schmuck Bait.

[Nadaka]

The problem is eavesdropping busybodies like her make people less sympathetic to the victims of real harrassment.

Overhear some non-threatening jokes you don't like, vs. being shot in the face for daring to go to school.

Educated, financially stable women have fewer kids, which cuts overpopulation, which reduces strain on the environment, which might stop a total ecological collapse.

If you  read the article you would know that she wasn't just a busybody who overheard something that someone said.

She was having a conversation with another developer and the guy butted in with the jokes, she asked him to stop and he didn't.

That is pretty much where the line was crossed.

[ChairmanPoo]

Stupid department politics.

[Solifuge]

Im loosing control.. just loosing it.
Someone save me man pleasse. Someone.

Im not praying to god. Im not praying to god. I dont talk to things that dosent exist.

Stop posting about it. All you get from us is sympathy and a temporary excuse to forget what's going on, which won't make things better.

I think I've been somewhere near where you're at now, and I feel for you. But take my advice, take control of the situation as best you can, and seek in-person help from a professional. School or work probably has resources that can provide it, or you can go to your parents if you need to and are comfortable with it. You don't need to explain everything, just that you think it would help you right now.

Good luck. Keep putting one foot in front of the other, and it'll get better.

[kaijyuu]

Does the author of that article not realize that women make sexual jokes too?