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[MaximumZero]

What the hell do you people have against Wisconsin? 

(Okay, no, I'm not actually sad, just a little baffled.)

I like cheese and all, man, but your football fans are something else. Also, dat winter. The winters here in Michigan are relatively mild because all that snow has to go through you guys and over Lake Michigan first. Also, note that it's not Lake Wisconsin. Boom.

[Vector]

Wisconsin?  No friends, no family, no mentors, none of the things I like will necessarily be there.  I hate both cheese and football, and see, I realize that there's more to Wisconsin than that, but I haven't heard of much else being good.


It's going to be a really long couple of days.

[Truean]

Wisconsin?  No friends, no family, no mentors, none of the things I like will necessarily be there.  I hate both cheese and football, and see, I realize that there's more to Wisconsin than that, but I haven't heard of much else being good.


It's going to be a really long couple of days.

The only thing I heard from this is that you hate cheese and my mind was broken long ago, but this gave a slight twitch as a mental question mark.

Whyfore thou doth not loveth thine cheese?

[Max White]

Does this extend to all dairy? What about cheesecake?

[Solifuge]

What the hell do you people have against Wisconsin? 

(Okay, no, I'm not actually sad, just a little baffled.)

I like cheese and all, man, but your football fans are something else. Also, dat winter. The winters here in Michigan are relatively mild because all that snow has to go through you guys and over Lake Michigan first. Also, note that it's not Lake Wisconsin. Boom.

Wisconsin?  No friends, no family, no mentors, none of the things I like will necessarily be there.  I hate both cheese and football, and see, I realize that there's more to Wisconsin than that, but I haven't heard of much else being good.

The Lake Effect leads to a lot of wind and weather, but if you don't mind rain/snow/tornados Wisconsin isn't a bad place. I have some fond memories of camping on a low, mosquito-riddled, sandy island just off the coast. We used rafts as our beds in the tent, which was lucky because we ended up pitching it in the middle of what became a small river, after a heavy overnight storm hit. Then we went back to the mainland, had fried pickles and chocolate-cheese, and bought passage on the SS Badger to get back across the lake. We then got hit by more heavy storms that made the ship rock until we were nauseous, with me, my siblings, and my parents all crammed into a tiny cabin the size of the average in-home bathroom.

...come to think of it, maybe Wisconsin isn't the best place to go. The midwest is an acquired taste.

[Putnam]

Does this extend to all dairy? What about cheesecake?

i don't like cheesecake

[Sirus]

What Truean said. Unless you're allergic or lactose-intolerant (both cases are a tragedy), how can you not like the Food of the Gods that is cheese?

Off topic: How is Truean pronounced? True-an or Tru-ean? Or something else entirely?

[MaximumZero]

Wisconsin?  No friends, no family, no mentors, none of the things I like will necessarily be there.  I hate both cheese and football, and see, I realize that there's more to Wisconsin than that, but I haven't heard of much else being good.


It's going to be a really long couple of days.

The only thing I heard from this is that you hate cheese and my mind was broken long ago, but this gave a slight twitch as a mental question mark.

Whyfore thou doth not loveth thine cheese?

Seriously, there's so many to choose from. Soft, smooth 'n' spready or hard and sharp with extra bite, there's something for everyone. Hell, you can add stuff to cheese to make it better! Read: In my fridge, I have chipotle white cheddar. MaximumZero uses Chipotle White Cheddar on Panini! It's SUPER EFFECTIVE!

[Vector]

I like it very occasionally, but in general it makes me feel rather ill.  I also have some anger for eggs.

Cheesecake is okay, though, in small amounts.

[penguinofhonor]

Wisconsin is a pretty shitty place, yeah. Bring back a cheese hat as a souvenir.

[Solifuge]

I have a theory that America is actually a dystopia, just no-one acknowledges it because they think it's just a problem with the state they are in.

First I thought it was just Detroit that was thought of as a cesspool. Then it was Georgia. Then New Jersey. Now everywhere in the southern united states is terrible.

Hey now, Detroit isn't a cesspool. There are plenty of places within the city limits that are safe, comfortable, and well-maintained, where people still have access to things like police protection and medical clinics. The area around the Casinos, for one, because they're one of the remaining draws for the city, and they can afford their own maintenance and security forces. Of course, there are plenty of other places too, often centered around sports arenas and theaters that were built before the riots and fires. But most of the city never recovered from the riots and fires.

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Blocks and blocks, with the empty shells of Victorian Townhomes, boarded-up windows pried away years ago by squatters. The husks of strip malls, gas stations, and shops, which desperate people gutted to harvest scrap metal, furniture, tools, and useful materials. Places where you don't want to travel on foot, unless you're moving in a pack or have someone local to help you know what to look out for. Or a gun.

The former mayor of Detroit, Kwame Kilpatrick, just went to prison. He's not unique among Detroit mayors for being a felon. He is, however, unique in being foolish and unrelenting enough in his crimes to get caught. He fought the City Council to try and cut funding for city projects with one hand, while embezzling city funds with the other. He flaunted bribery, cheating on his wife with his chief of staff, and selling city contracts for personal profit. We've known what he was doing for many years, but he was wealthy enough, and the city poor and fractured enough, that it took a sex-scandal to get a decent investigation on him rolling... which finally lead to his conviction only days ago.

So yeah, Detroit is not a cesspool, so much as a series of safe and functional slices of city, sitting in the middle of a vast, unsafe, and sparsely populated urban wasteland. If you wanted to film a live-action Fallout movie, you could go there and you wouldn't even need a set. But you might need to hire your own security forces.

And yeah... as someone born and raised in and around Detroit, thinking about this did make me sad today.

[Vector]

Side note: I kind of hate Invader Zim.  You may be wondering why this matters, but all throughout my childhood (through high school, even!) my friends were watching it and I, in my cartoon-banned house, could not.  So I finally got to this age where I managed to find it on the net, and lo and behold, I pretty much don't enjoy it at all.  It's sort of... usually, when I wait this long, I get to X Y or Z thing and it is indeed awesome.  But this time, no.

*bumps against table, doesn't flip*

[Descan]

Reading stuff like that makes me want to become a trillionaire, just so I can go in and spend it and all the investments from it revitalizing the city.

[Pnx]

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Wow, #10 is particularly potent with the ruined church that has "And You Shall Say God Did It" written on the wall.

Side note: I kind of hate Invader Zim.  You may be wondering why this matters, but all throughout my childhood (through high school, even!) my friends were watching it and I, in my cartoon-banned house, could not.  So I finally got to this age where I managed to find it on the net, and lo and behold, I pretty much don't enjoy it at all.  It's sort of... usually, when I wait this long, I get to X Y or Z thing and it is indeed awesome.  But this time, no.

*bumps against table, doesn't flip*

I'm sad to hear this. Not that you don't like the show (I mean, I kinda liked it, I seem to remember it being pretty fun, but to each their own), but that seriously, your parents deprived you of cartoons?

[Frumple]

So... soli. That. That kinda' sounds exactly like a description of a pseudo-dystopian cesspool

S'like. I don't really mince words. Florida is shit. It's got some alright places in it. But overall it's just not a very nice place to live. Even beyond the weather related stuff that varies from person to person. It's not really high on the list of places you go if you want a future, or much of a present. Some places in it might be -- south florida in particular has a bit more going for it -- but the state as a whole. No.

I. I don't think saying something is slices of functional surrounded by urban wasteland is, like. How you'd describe something that's not a cesspool. It's just a cesspool with floating chunks of unrotten material still swirling around in it. Which brings to mind the horrible image of some kind of urban toilet, with shiny city blocks still floating in a clogged sludge of filth.