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[Tellemurius]

Tell you the truth i rather have my foreskin cut during the age of i don't remember shit, that way i don't get that awesome repressive memory while im taking a leak only after 3 days from operation. Honestly you can't miss what you never used.

[MagmaMcFry]

I am the anti-kaijyuu.

Woohoo, I have an archnemesis!

Wait, how come you get an archnemesis and I don't? D:

[Loud Whispers]

I didn't say it was the same thing and it's insulting really.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

My point is that it's comparign Fucking Apples to Oranges. Yes, Circumcision is bad, NO, it is not on the same scale as female genital mutilation. I've never even heard of that view point before, hence teh rage.
He's a source
http://www.guardian.co.uk/theobserver/2012/jul/29/the-big-issue-male-circumcision
And here's some highlights from Wikiepedia

FGM is considered by its practitioners to be an essential part of raising a girl properly—girls are regarded as having been cleansed by the removal of "male" body parts. It ensures pre-marital virginity and inhibits extra-marital sex, because it reduces women's libido. Women fear the pain of re-opening the vagina, and are afraid of being discovered if it is opened illicitly.

Judaism requires circumcision for boys, but does not allow it for girls.^[23] Islamic scholars have said that, while male circumcision is a sunna, or religious obligation, female genital modification is not required, and several have issued a fatwa against Type III FGM

According to Amnesty, in certain societies women who have not had the procedure are regarded as too unclean to handle food and water, and there is a belief that a woman's genitals might continue to grow without FGM, until they dangle between her legs. Some groups see the clitoris as dangerous, capable of killing a man if his penis touches it, or a baby if the head comes into contact with it during birth, though Amnesty cautions that ideas about the power of the clitoris can be found elsewhere.^[28] Gynaecologists in England and the United States would remove it during the 19th century to "cure" insanity, masturbation, and nymphomania.^[29] The first reported clitoridectomy in the West was carried out in 1822 by a surgeon in Berlin on a teenage girl regarded as an "imbecile" who was masturbating.

Not. The. Same. It's done on PUBESCENTS in many places. It's a actual CRIME in the US, and Britain, mind you. It was even groudns for allowing Political Asylum on grounds of persecution. Comparitevely, FGM is extensive surgery, you can remove the Fore-skin simply by tying a damn string around it for three days. It isn't at all about parental rights or religion. It is a women's issue. It is done for the purpose of dogmatic patriarchalism. "She won't cheat if I cut it off!" Is what it boils down to.

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[misko27]

I didn't say it was the same thing and it's insulting really.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

My point is that it's comparign Fucking Apples to Oranges. Yes, Circumcision is bad, NO, it is not on the same scale as female genital mutilation. I've never even heard of that view point before, hence teh rage.
He's a source
http://www.guardian.co.uk/theobserver/2012/jul/29/the-big-issue-male-circumcision
And here's some highlights from Wikiepedia

FGM is considered by its practitioners to be an essential part of raising a girl properly—girls are regarded as having been cleansed by the removal of "male" body parts. It ensures pre-marital virginity and inhibits extra-marital sex, because it reduces women's libido. Women fear the pain of re-opening the vagina, and are afraid of being discovered if it is opened illicitly.

Judaism requires circumcision for boys, but does not allow it for girls.^[23] Islamic scholars have said that, while male circumcision is a sunna, or religious obligation, female genital modification is not required, and several have issued a fatwa against Type III FGM

According to Amnesty, in certain societies women who have not had the procedure are regarded as too unclean to handle food and water, and there is a belief that a woman's genitals might continue to grow without FGM, until they dangle between her legs. Some groups see the clitoris as dangerous, capable of killing a man if his penis touches it, or a baby if the head comes into contact with it during birth, though Amnesty cautions that ideas about the power of the clitoris can be found elsewhere.^[28] Gynaecologists in England and the United States would remove it during the 19th century to "cure" insanity, masturbation, and nymphomania.^[29] The first reported clitoridectomy in the West was carried out in 1822 by a surgeon in Berlin on a teenage girl regarded as an "imbecile" who was masturbating.

Not. The. Same. It's done on PUBESCENTS in many places. It's a actual CRIME in the US, and Britain, mind you. It was even groudns for allowing Political Asylum on grounds of persecution. Comparitevely, FGM is extensive surgery, you can remove the Fore-skin simply by tying a damn string around it for three days. It isn't at all about parental rights or religion. It is a women's issue. It is done for the purpose of dogmatic patriarchalism. "She won't cheat if I cut it off!" Is what it boils down to.

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Then what the hell are we arguing about! Damn it! Now I have no one to be mad at! RAEG.
 
I find myself arguing with alot of people who actually agree with me these days. I guess that's sad.

[kaijyuu]

I am the anti-kaijyuu.

Woohoo, I have an archnemesis!

Wait, how come you get an archnemesis and I don't? D:

You stole my face, right? You can borrow Misko and he won't even notice it's not me.

Tell you the truth i rather have my foreskin cut during the age of i don't remember shit, that way i don't get that awesome repressive memory while im taking a leak only after 3 days from operation. Honestly you can't miss what you never used.

First off, you're implying it's one or the other. There's a third option of never removing it at all.
Secondly, you're seriously comparing the stress of remembering an operation to having an operation done without consent? I'm not sure how the former could possibly be considered worse.

[Tellemurius]

Well Kai like I said its just me. You couldn't get me under the knife willingly without knocking my ass out. For the circumcision argument it would be cool to get that available choice but it's not something you want to opt in at a later lifetime, pain can go a long way with a developed body but maybe 3 days after for a infant (assuming the op is successful). I can't really argue about this as would be the point, its not like I can get it back, am I really gonna hold a grudge against my parents who were (hopefully) thinking the best for me at the time? Would I make the same choice too for my future kid? I dunno, could I save him the trouble? Should I give him the choice later on? Choices are rare in childhood and even the parent wouldn't have it.

[kaijyuu]

Which would you prefer your child angrily approaching you with, Tell?

1) You taking away something he could never get back, or
2) Making him have a painful surgery.


And remember it's not even a 50/50 risk here. #1 is far more likely to happen. (I'm not making a false dichotomy here either, as I realize there are more possibilities. But these are all the "bad" possibilities.)


If your goal is avoiding problems, then realize one problem can never be solved, and the other is an annoyance that will pass.

[Max White]

You know what sucks? Every time something happens to put me in a very good mood, a few hours later I kind of crash and get very depressed. I know that this is just my brain doing its stupid phyco-babble bullshit that it always pulls. I know that in reality I have no reason to be thinking as dark thoughts as I am. I know that by the next morning I will be back to normal. I know that this literally comes down to nothing more than chemicals.
Still doesn't make me feel much better.


I got a job this morning. After literally years of searching, I moved across the state to where the employment figures were better and got a job in less than two weeks. I was over the fucking moon with joy! Now I just want to crawl in bed and forget that reality is a thing.
I hate being insane.

[Descan]

Hugpile on Max!


Also, why is a point in FAVOUR of circumcision "No sane adult would do it willingly"? That... That seems like a point against.

[misko27]

Hugpile on Max!


Also, why is a point in FAVOUR of circumcision "No sane adult would do it willingly"? That... That seems like a point against.

Because sane adults tend to also be quite simultaneously stupid?

[Descan]

Okay, "No sane adult with everything related to it explained to them would do it willingly."

[misko27]

Okay, "No sane adult with everything related to it explained to them would do it willingly."

Ahh, but that was not the point argued.
 
 

[Max White]

Also, why is a point in FAVOUR of circumcision "No sane adult would do it willingly"? That... That seems like a point against.

Because babies aren't people, they are animals that we can groom and trim to suit our taste. They will never grow up into people with their own thoughts and opinions.

[Descan]

Okay, "No sane adult with everything related to it explained to them would do it willingly."

Ahh, but that was not the point argued.

Who's point? My point, his point, your point, no point?

Because it was my point, I just clarified. So... Yeah, I don't think you're allowed to tell someone what their own damn point is. If so, I'm outtie.

* Descan ollies.

[Korbac]

You know what sucks? Every time something happens to put me in a very good mood, a few hours later I kind of crash and get very depressed. I know that this is just my brain doing its stupid phyco-babble bullshit that it always pulls. I know that in reality I have no reason to be thinking as dark thoughts as I am. I know that by the next morning I will be back to normal. I know that this literally comes down to nothing more than chemicals.
Still doesn't make me feel much better.


I got a job this morning. After literally years of searching, I moved across the state to where the employment figures were better and got a job in less than two weeks. I was over the fucking moon with joy! Now I just want to crawl in bed and forget that reality is a thing.
I hate being insane.

Sorry to hear that dude. I'm familiar with that feeling.

A sad for me today was I got 25% on a test I felt confident on. I have got good marks on the other tests this year, but I'd throw that all away to know what I'm good at. Almost all the time I think I know something, I do shit at it, and almost all the time I'm like "maybe I'll scrape it" I get great marks. It makes no fucking sense.

I can't cognitively practice things if my brain thinks it knows it all!