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[kaijyuu]

Well at least they were only mutilating people after they were dead. Still gross though xD

[misko27]

Look kaijyuu, do you want to happy, or be hunted by Furies till the end of your days? Then swallow your pride and morality, and get chopping. Zeus demands his foreskins.
 
Although debateably that's Aphrodite's job.

[Nadaka]

I started this thread of the conversation, I prolonged it, and now I want it to end, because it would appear it's beginning to turn ugly.

Bay12 and religion don't tend to go together well.

We treat religion with all the respect it is due.

How would you like it if someone were to cut on your penis without your permission and claim that that its OK because the government said so but they can't point to any evidence the  government said so? Is that an objectively good thing? Is that something you would promote?

Now lets turn it up a notch. If Jews get a religious exception for male genital mutilation, then the Muslims are justified in female genital mutilation.

[Darvi]

We treat religion with all the respect it is due.

Coincidentally, I've been reading this page today. Yesterday. Whatever.

[kaijyuu]

Ehhh... I want to avoid such comparisons because female genital mutilation is much worse than male, but yeah; religion doesn't give an excuse to mutilate kids. Period.

I'll gladly do some face slapping over allowing irrevocable damage to be done to people unable to consent to it.

[Lord Shonus]

Now lets turn it up a notch. If Jews get a religious exception for male genital mutilation, then the Muslims are justified in female genital mutilation.

Completely different animal. It's part of traditional Arab culture, but the Koran does not require it.

[Loud Whispers]

Now lets turn it up a notch. If Jews get a religious exception for male genital mutilation, then the Muslims are justified in female genital mutilation.

Completely different animal. It's part of traditional Arab culture, but the Koran does not require it.

Wait so kids aren't allowed freedom of religion? Parents can snip bits off because it's "required"?

[kaijyuu]

Blarg!

I'm getting out of this conversation! It's going places I don't like going, where there is no right answer, and I feel perpetually ridiculed, even if I'm not being ridiculed!

I think there's a right answer

Anyway greatoder, if you don't like the conversation, ignore it and/or report it.

[Loud Whispers]

There's no right answer? I'd dispute that; but there doesn't really need to be a right answer for two or more reasonable opinions to form and to make everyone's views understood. It makes the world that much more better y'know?

[Lord Shonus]

That's a valid point, and I can easily see the argument. At the same time, forcing parents not to perform an important cultural ritual (that will be performed at some point if the child joins the religion of his parents) that's far more dangerous later in life strikes me as being too close to the line.

[Loud Whispers]

That's a valid point, and I can easily see the argument. At the same time, forcing parents not to perform an important cultural ritual (that will be performed at some point if the child joins the religion of his parents) that's far more dangerous later in life strikes me as being too close to the line.

For me it's the choice between upholding the right to belief at the cost of either risking right to life, or removing the option of choice altogether. The child has no choice in the surgery that will affect him for the rest of his life; and that's not even considering his religious beliefs.

[kaijyuu]

My biggest concern there is that people will probably do it illegally, in back alleys and the like, and that will make it more dangerous.


Understand there's a point where culture can be BAD. Nothing under the umbrella of "culture" can avoid scrutiny; if it harms people without their consent, then it's something that should be done away with.


As for risks with performing it on adults... the risk of the recipient not wanting it outweighs that one, I think.

[FearfulJesuit]

My biggest concern there is that people will probably do it illegally, in back alleys and the like, and that will make it more dangerous.


Understand there's a point where culture can be BAD. Nothing under the umbrella of "culture" can avoid scrutiny; if it harms people without their consent, then it's something that should be done away with.


As for risks with performing it on adults... the risk of the recipient not wanting it outweighs that one, I think.

Kaijyuu, you've declared yourself a moral relativist, yes?

[Lord Shonus]

We're not as far apart on the issue as it seems. I simply draw the line in a different place on the rights of parents vs. the rights of the child.

[dei]

I'm as sympathetic to their religious concerns as I'm sympathetic to those who want to do animal sacrifice. IE, not.

Can we compromise and sacrifice animal foreskins?

Jay Naylor's Better Days did something like this.

...I am a font of useful and useless information. Now on-topic: I am kind of disappointed that it was proven to me just today why I shouldn't start threads - yet again. I should just stick with being the idiot savant I usually am and just share information in other people's threads as it comes along?

...I am sorry about the idiot savant comment. Technically with the wealth of knowledge and occasional lack of common sense I have that is pretty much what I am. I'm too old to be a little professor as Hans Asperger used to say anyways.

Oh, and I'm also disappointed that once again one of these emotion threads has gone off-topic. Then again it is an emotion thread and sometimes people let their emotions get the best of them. I'm not meaning to imply anything disrespectful or malign but I am kind of sick and tired of seeing these threads go off-topic at least once or twice a day.

Not that anything has to change, but it would be nice if irrelevant and nonsensical thinking was purged from these kinds of threads. I apologize if I offend anyone with this kind of thinking I myself am having but I personally believe that honesty is the best policy.