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[Hanslanda]

You should have bagged her groceries. But seriously I don't see why this would make you sad.

Because I've got standards.

I am now sad because Hans dislikes sluts, and by proxy, me.

You are cool. This offsets the standards. Ahem. Sorry everyone. Momentary lapse of judgement there. :/

I wish I was a slut   

No you don't. Being a slut is highly overrated. And gross. Mostly gross.

[MrWillsauce]

Well as they say, "the grass is always greener on the other side of the sexual participation spectrum".

[kaijyuu]

I think we can discuss this publicly so long as it's entirely academic. In fact I think similar things were talked about in the old progressive rage thread.


Anywho, here's where I think I disagree with you Hans. I don't like "slut shaming". There's a common conception that men who get lots of action are heroes that should be admired, while women who do are "sluts" who should be scorned. In my view, both sides of that coin are bogus; there's nothing inherently good or bad about sleeping around, or being sexually open, or anything like that. My only concern is STD risk (and unwanted pregnancies, now that I think about it). I'm also one of those people that don't like "public indecency" laws; if people want to bone each other in a public park, or on a car hood, or whatever, that's fine by me.

So yeah. I see nothing wrong with her view, nor yours. People can be as selective as they want.


EDIT: 'Spose I should put where I stand on the issue. I have to know someone rather well, and like them a bit, before I'd sleep with them. One night stands simply would never do for me. Easiest way to put it would be they'd have to be in boy/girlfriend territory first.

[Hanslanda]

I think we can discuss this publicly so long as it's entirely academic. In fact I think similar things were talked about in the old progressive rage thread.


Anywho, here's where I think I disagree with you Hans. I don't like "slut shaming". There's a common conception that men who get lots of action are heroes that should be admired, while women who do are "sluts" who should be scorned. In my view, both sides of that coin are bogus; there's nothing inherently good or bad about sleeping around, or being sexually open, or anything like that. My only concern is STD risk (and unwanted pregnancies, now that I think about it). I'm also one of those people that don't like "public indecency" laws; if people want to bone each other in a public park, or on a car hood, or whatever, that's fine by me.

So yeah. I see nothing wrong with her view, nor yours. People can be as selective as they want.

Funny thing. I particularly don't like guys that sleep around with girls as much as they can. I met one of those, a specific one, that inspires a fiery rage in me. I don't get angry much. I could physically dismember this person though.
Female sluts I have varying opinions on. If she gets into a relationship with the person, sleeps with them easily in the relationship, and then moves on because she has difficulty staying in relationships, that's a bit different. But people who just hop from person to person as much as possible just bother me on a visceral level.
It's gross. Disgusting to me. That's just my opinion though. I've always believed sex was an expression of love between two people.

As for public indecency laws, they are there for a good reason, IMO. Never thought I'd disagree with you so much. Ahem, anyway, I don't want to see everyone naked. I barely even want to see the ones I want to see naked. I'm prude I guess.

[kaijyuu]

Pfft I'm a crazy radical free love hippie so it's not surprising if you disagree with me on some things


Anyway the way I'd reconcile this:

I've always believed sex was an expression of love between two people.

is to make that your standard. Just don't apply it to anyone else. For you, it will always be an expression of love; for others, it might be different.

* kaijyuu shrugs

As for public indecency laws, they are there for a good reason, IMO. Never thought I'd disagree with you so much.  Ahem, anyway, I don't want to see everyone naked. I barely even want to see the ones I want to see naked. I'm prude I guess.

Do you get disgusted seeing someone's elbow? Hand? Shin? If not, then why do you get disgusted seeing those particular organs?

[MaximumZero]

I'm mostly okay with public indecency laws because of cleanliness. I really don't want to carry a gallon of bleach if I decide to sit down on a park bench. Also, there are people who weigh more than 400lbs. They may not be ashamed of their bodies, but I am for them.

[Hanslanda]

Pfft I'm a crazy radical free love hippie so it's not surprising if you disagree with me on some things


Anyway the way I'd reconcile this:

I've always believed sex was an expression of love between two people.

is to make that your standard. Just don't apply it to anyone else. For you, it will always be an expression of love; for others, it might be different.

* kaijyuu shrugs

As for public indecency laws, they are there for a good reason, IMO. Never thought I'd disagree with you so much.  Ahem, anyway, I don't want to see everyone naked. I barely even want to see the ones I want to see naked. I'm prude I guess.

Do you get disgusted seeing someone's elbow? Hand? Shin? If not, then why do you get disgusted seeing those particular organs?

As for the first one, you are correct. And I don't try to force that standard on others unless they're trying to sleep with me. Then it's fully within my rights.

As for the second, because cultural mores and conditioned behavioral responses to such sights. Plus, it's really hard to work when you're distracted by the nekkid sexy. >.<

[MetalSlimeHunt]

Even if public indecency laws were repealed, I doubt most people would take advantage of it. In fact, I know that's the case. Women are allowed to be topless in the entirety of New York State, and you are permitted to walk about stark naked in the city of Portland, but these things have taken no hold.

[kaijyuu]

I'm mostly okay with public indecency laws because of cleanliness. I really don't want to carry a gallon of bleach if I decide to sit down on a park bench.

Clothes won't suddenly cease to exist. You sit your naked butt down on a dirty park bench, that's your own fault. And I seriously doubt they'll suddenly become dirty enough to make you concerned for your pants touching them.

Also, there are people who weigh more than 400lbs. They may not be ashamed of their bodies, but I am for them.

Ouch

As for the first one, you are correct. And I don't try to force that standard on others unless they're trying to sleep with me. Then it's fully within my rights. 

Thumbs up then

As for the second, because cultural mores and conditioned behavioral responses to such sights. Plus, it's really hard to work when you're distracted by the nekkid sexy. >.<

Well at least you admit that first part As for the second, desensitization will kick in after a while (which could be a bad thing, to some).

[Hanslanda]

Clothes won't suddenly cease to exist. You sit your naked butt down on a dirty park bench, that's your own fault. And I seriously doubt they'll suddenly become dirty enough to make you concerned for your pants touching them.

You know how some people (like me) wash their hands after they go to the bathroom? Studies show it would do more good to wash your... Ahem. Stuff. Because your hands are filthy. Hands are the dirtiest part of your body, even if you never bathe. Especially. So, sitting on the parkbench wouldn't be such a big deal to me. Shaking someone's hand while they weren't wearing clothes though? Ew, no thanks.

[Frumple]

* Frumple vastly prefers bowing or inclining the head/nodding as a means of greeting to handshakes.

Partially for exactly that reason. The rest mostly being that I hate exerting more force than absolutely necessary and the whole hand squeeze cultural more is just something I neither "get" nor enjoy.

[Hanslanda]

Handshakes suck for me because I've got a broken right pinky finger, and everyone seems to ignore you when they grab your hand and crush it. So I end up with grinding bone ends, shouting, "Hey, fucking stop that!"
The judge was most displeased until I explained he was maiming me.

[Remalle]

Strangely enough, handshakes are one of the few things my OCD lets me do.  Despite rationally knowing it's probably about as hygienic as sticking my hand up never mind I don't like where this thought is going, I can touch people's hands with no problems.  Even though I can't touch stuff that other people have touched.  Isn't that fun.

Also, I'm more then likely going to do badly on my SAT in a couple of days.  After that I have a month to study, then I get to take another one.  Joy.  When I inevitably fail to get into uni, I'll have to take some shitty job at some shitty place for shitty pay for the rest of my life, because I have no work experience.  My music is going nowhere, I get no enjoyment out of my hobbies any more, I have hardly any real friends, my family is awful, and I'm dedicated straight edge, so there's really no good option for not spending the rest of my days in tedium.
And to top it all off I won't get to play XCOM, the one potential non-crappy thing in my life, because I'll be too busy studying for my next test, which, of course, I'm practically guaranteed to mess up.

[MaximumZero]

I prefer a mutual forearm/wrist grip, a fist bump, or a bow'n'waveoff. I just deal with too many people to enjoy shaking everyone's hand.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

Whenever I have to shake hands, I employ my CRUSHING GRIP and people stop trying to shake my hands. They don't complain either, since it would make them seem crazy.