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[Truean]

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[Vattic]

It just started raining just before I have to walk to work.

I just am not very accommodating to opposing views on the subject, in the slightest really. I've just seen too much if it go bad to ever consider any opposing viewpoints. After about the 5th 4th (to be fair) person dies on you, or the 12th has their life ruined with drugs involved you kinda get like that. I hope you understand that if I'm a tad of a closed minded shit about the subject that I at least a.) fully and openly admit to it, and b.) have a legit reason to be/am not just being an asshole without reason. After you hear a hungry 4 year old essentially ask why mommy loves the meth more than him, you just straight up run outta shits to give.

Got to say I'm kind of surprised at your stance on this and wouldn't have guessed. Even though I've seen drugs ruin the lives of close family members I suppose my stance is that it being illegal isn't helping and I'd like to see the money spent on helping people instead. Really glad meth never took off over here in the UK. Then again there is a bit of a problem with ketamine and crack but nothing really huge.

[RedKing]

Grumpy as all hell, for a variety of reasons. For one, it's 74F and rainy. BLEAH. Give me back my 100-degree days of blistering sun.

Two, work is all doom and gloom as people sense the impending End of the Contract and spend all their time kvetching or jobhunting instead of working.

Three, I now want something I can't have which I didn't even know I wanted until recently.

[Truean]

It just started raining just before I have to walk to work.

I just am not very accommodating to opposing views on the subject, in the slightest really. I've just seen too much if it go bad to ever consider any opposing viewpoints. After about the 5th 4th (to be fair) person dies on you, or the 12th has their life ruined with drugs involved you kinda get like that. I hope you understand that if I'm a tad of a closed minded shit about the subject that I at least a.) fully and openly admit to it, and b.) have a legit reason to be/am not just being an asshole without reason. After you hear a hungry 4 year old essentially ask why mommy loves the meth more than him, you just straight up run outta shits to give.

Got to say I'm kind of surprised at your stance on this and wouldn't have guessed. Even though I've seen drugs ruin the lives of close family members I suppose my stance is that it being illegal isn't helping and I'd like to see the money spent on helping people instead. Really glad meth never took off over here in the UK. Then again there is a bit of a problem with ketamine and crack but nothing really huge.

"Illegality" isn't the problem; "bad remedy" is. Prison is graduate school for criminal behavior. You go in a minor thief and come out willing to sharpen a metal piece into a shank and more addicted than you were when you entered. The diversion programs and rehab only work if the person goes. They often won't go by choice, because "they don't have a problem." . Thus the forcible court order is required before they destroy themselves and others. Therapy and social change would be more effective, but incarceration and ignoring people is cheaper. Guess which we do....

The more cynical side of me says that and enough napalm on the coca fields from a Stratofortress escorted by Hornets would make a dent, but the more economic side says giving them a reason to plant something else would be more effective if it could be done. Practically, I know neither would work.

Reducing things to one word destroys worlds, because you lose sight of the details. Haven't you heard? That's where the devil is in....

[penguinofhonor]

I think drugs are like sex.

If you tell everyone not to do it, they'll all do it anyway and they'll just end up doing something stupid and ruining their lives. If you teach people responsibility then they'll be able to have some fun and minimize the risks.

Admittedly, I'm not sure where meth falls here. I'm not sure if there's a safe and responsible way to do meth.

[kaijyuu]

The cynic in me is saying "darwin award!", but there are people who turn to drugs out of desperation/ignorance/etc, not just stupidity.

'Course, drugs being illegal hardly hinders people who want to get them for whatever reason.

[The Merchant Of Menace]

I'd imagine not, although I'm a little bit biased against it myself, seeing as it's the drug my parents were addicted to and a reasonable influence in what they did to me.

[SalmonGod]

I consider "Taboo breeds obsession" to be a universal sociological rule.

[Descan]

Meth is certainly one of the... worse ones. I was a little wary of when Cody was doing coke with one of his friends, but he stopped after a while. When he started talking about METH, after saying months previously that he'd never touch it... Well. :/ I worry about him. :/

[IronyOwl]

Meth is certainly one of the... worse ones.

This. I believe heroin is worse for raw addiction, but otherwise I can't think of a drug I'd consider a worse idea. Not that I'm an expert on the topic, but everything I've heard paints it as worse than just about anything in pretty much all ways.

[Bauglir]

Depends on your thoughts on permanent brain damage, I suppose. (Yeah meth is pretty bad)

[Reudh]

I used to travel to a famously heroin / meth damaged town in the Southern suburbs of Melbourne for study. Not a day would go by without seeing someone damaged and ruined by it; be it walking to the TAFE or on board the train.

Worse was seeing girls little older than myself, who I'm sure would've been quite pretty in the past, but had their teeth rotted out of their skull and haggard, grey skin walking around Frankston like zombies, begging me for a 'coin so i can eat'.

That is what puts me against the heavier drugs.
One of my friends recently invited me to try Psilocybin with him; I said no and he looked utterly crestfallen. I'm aware it has lower toxicity than say... Aspirin, but I do not wish to lose hold of my sanity, tenuous as my grip is already.

[SalmonGod]

Meth is certainly one of the... worse ones.

This. I believe heroin is worse for raw addiction, but otherwise I can't think of a drug I'd consider a worse idea. Not that I'm an expert on the topic, but everything I've heard paints it as worse than just about anything in pretty much all ways.

Umm... as far as drugs that are well-known and commonly used in America.  There are worse.  Far worse, even.  Look up Krokodil.  Prepare the brain bleach if you decide to do an image search.  There are also people who abuse substances that aren't usually even considered drugs, such as sniffing gasoline.

[lordcooper]

There is a difference between use and abuse.

[Hanslanda]

Meth is certainly one of the... worse ones.

This. I believe heroin is worse for raw addiction, but otherwise I can't think of a drug I'd consider a worse idea. Not that I'm an expert on the topic, but everything I've heard paints it as worse than just about anything in pretty much all ways.

Let me put it this way: I was addicted to cocaine for three months. I spent thousands of dollars on marijuana, LSD, shrooms, etc.
I wouldn't even let people that did meth into my home. The only time it came into my home was my brothers (don't read the spoiler)

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 stupid evil whore bitch

girlfriend. She was sitting on my couch smoking it when I got off work, I said, "What the fuck is that?"
"Meth. Try it! Its not addictive."
I have never been at such a loss for words in my entire life. I have never wanted to strike a woman in anger before in my life. I told her to get out of my home and to take her shit with her. She refused, so I broke her pipe and threw the pieces away. Then I called my brother and made him take her away.
I live in Stone County Missouri. If you've ever heard meth called '417', there's a reason. The area code for Stone county is 417.

@Truean: And I wasn't saying all that so I could tout my point of view. I wanted you to understand that I've been there too, and I'm on the opposite side of the fence. Not all drug addicts act inhuman and inhumane, they are just people like you and me that made some serious mistakes. Also, have you ever considered being a judge?

The cynic in me is saying "darwin award!", but there are people who turn to drugs out of desperation/ignorance/etc, not just stupidity.

'Course, drugs being illegal hardly hinders people who want to get them for whatever reason.

When I was younger, I took an IQ test, and I got one point below above-average intelligence. I'm not really smart, I'm just kind of clever. For me, I use because I hate being sober. I'm incredibly inhibited, I'm socially very shy, and I never act the way I want to act. Drugs seemed like a way to change that. They did, but I don't really like who I am now any more than I liked who I was then.

Ninja'd: Krokodil is evil shit man. Never had or been near it, but its fucking pure evil. And the terrible thing about being addicted is that I know I can get high on whip cream, air duster, choking myself, certain plants that grow around like Morning glory, or I could take LSD or shrooms again. None of the things I just mentioned are able to be tested for. I could cheat Drug Court, but I don't and I don't know why I don't. I certainly want to.