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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #41565 on: January 03, 2012, 04:00:34 am »

I feel lonely and isolated and depressed and alone.  It must be 100 again.
My plans to spend the day hiding from everyone else in the house were wrecked when my second cousins came over for a visit.  My aunt (? not sure what the English word is) is pregnant with her fifth child and I didn't know, and I barely even felt anything when I found out.  I said hi and bye to the family to be polite so nobody would suspect I'm avoiding everyone.  They probably thought I was studying, but I haven't done that in months if not years.  It's not like anyone can tell the difference.  Then I spent a few hours reading in the basement sitting on the floor because I couldn't find a chair, shivering in the cold because I'd closed the door already and to open it and find a jacket would be to admit I'd been avoiding everyone.  I came up eventually and at one point I saw my mom, who told me to clean the counter after I left it dirty after lunch.  I didn't see her for the rest of the day.  My grandma was out in the afternoon and came home, asked if I'd had dinner and I lied and said yes because I didn't want to eat with the family.
I went to bed around 1900, read The Light Fantastic start to finish, it took my mind off stuff for a few hours.  I recognized a quote my friend quoted on Facebook a few days ago.  Then I finished the book and turned off the light, and now I've been lying awake for a few more hours wondering if the title of the theme song of MASH got it right.  To top the day off I'm writing a crappy post online bitching about my crappy day, where even if it does get read it'll probably be dismissed because it's next to people with real problems that aren't "look at me I'm so antisocial I put myself in voluntary exile".
And all this is just today, never mind New Year's Day.  I even texted some friends asking how their days went planning on spilling my guts about it but in the end I couldn't bring myself to, and just told them it went good.  Yeah, I fucking lied to three of my most real friends, I feel like an asshole, and I feel like more of an asshole for writing this down, not even going anywhere in particular.  Maybe I'll become a monk, I've been losing my religion too, that'll kill some birds with one stone. 
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #41566 on: January 03, 2012, 04:03:01 am »

On the Truan subject I'm kind of neutral.
On the one hand, I'm not a spiteful person myself and I don't generally approve of being spiteful. On the other it does kind of sound like he kind of had it coming to him, and what's the point in being a lawyer if you can't bring the wrath of the law down on those who have it coming to them?

That's like the Swedish doctor who was recently gound guilty for abusing the hospitals' centralised health information system to spy on ex's new girlfriends, neighbours and other people she disliked excusing herself by saying "hey, what's yhe point of being a doctor if I can't keep tabs on peoples health?"

It's abusing the system for your own petty gain and gratification, for the flimsiest of reasons. It's corrupt and unethical. That it was done by one of us, hell, a person I wanted to be friends with, doesn't change that.
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #41567 on: January 03, 2012, 04:26:30 am »

Shit, man, chill out~
Yeah, it was a dickish move, and she feels bad about it~
Still no reason to flip your shit~
I'm sure you've done stuff you've regretted later out of anger, too~

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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #41568 on: January 03, 2012, 05:47:15 am »

Well, fuck, looks like someone's been using my debit card... even though it got suspended, and I haven't been able to renew it, due to bullshit. This is going to be fun...
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #41569 on: January 03, 2012, 06:25:53 am »

On the Truan subject I'm kind of neutral.
On the one hand, I'm not a spiteful person myself and I don't generally approve of being spiteful. On the other it does kind of sound like he kind of had it coming to him, and what's the point in being a lawyer if you can't bring the wrath of the law down on those who have it coming to them?

That's like the Swedish doctor who was recently gound guilty for abusing the hospitals' centralised health information system to spy on ex's new girlfriends, neighbours and other people she disliked excusing herself by saying "hey, what's yhe point of being a doctor if I can't keep tabs on peoples health?"

It's abusing the system for your own petty gain and gratification, for the flimsiest of reasons. It's corrupt and unethical. That it was done by one of us, hell, a person I wanted to be friends with, doesn't change that.
Get over yourself, you telling me you wouldn't get pissed off at some point with this guy? Reason why i stayed out of the medical, law, and political field cause i know i will explode in anger one day and fuck everything up. Was it wrong? yes. Did it help him? Probably a bit. You want to be the next asshole that criticize every movement a human makes then be my guess, just remember you will be in the same mold.

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« Reply #41570 on: January 03, 2012, 06:31:38 am »

This is way more of a tearjerker than it has any right to be.
Finished reading, it was a wonderful story, thanks for posting it!

Yeah, that was surprisingly good. Both hilarious and heartbreaking. I especially loved the life journey out of nowhere.
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #41571 on: January 03, 2012, 06:35:14 am »

I've shown that sims 3 thing to a couple people and they love it.


Re: People being dicks.

What happened to Truean was pretty dickish.
What she did in return was also dickish.
What's been said about it has, indeed, also been dickish.

It'd be nice if everyone stopped being dicks. Thank you~
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #41572 on: January 03, 2012, 07:27:52 am »

On the Truan subject I'm kind of neutral.
On the one hand, I'm not a spiteful person myself and I don't generally approve of being spiteful. On the other it does kind of sound like he kind of had it coming to him, and what's the point in being a lawyer if you can't bring the wrath of the law down on those who have it coming to them?

That's like the Swedish doctor who was recently gound guilty for abusing the hospitals' centralised health information system to spy on ex's new girlfriends, neighbours and other people she disliked excusing herself by saying "hey, what's yhe point of being a doctor if I can't keep tabs on peoples health?"

It's abusing the system for your own petty gain and gratification, for the flimsiest of reasons. It's corrupt and unethical. That it was done by one of us, hell, a person I wanted to be friends with, doesn't change that.

"Unethical?" I guess I just don't get it....

If you don't like me for this, then you'd have no idea what to do with the rest of me.... I'm not sure I do.
What I did, all I did, was turn him in for multiple crimes he absolutely committed while bragging about committing them in front of an officer of the court, an attorney. That isn't corrupt at all, in one single iota. He wasn't and was never going to be a client. It isn't an "ethical" or "abuse of position," problem, at all. This man sells influence and favors while engaging in nepotism and giving jobs to completely unqualified candidates in exchange for personal favors, material goods and straight up monetary bribes during the worst job crisis this country has seen since the 1930s great depression. I did a small and completely legal thing about it. He's corrupt; I'm the only person doing something about it.  How "flimsy" would my reasons for doing it be, if you were applying for that job to feed your family and instead of you, who was perfectly qualified, they gave the position to a 22 year old kid with absolutely no experience because his dad literally paid off the hiring manager? "Unethical?" I guess I just don't get it....

Don't ever be surprised that you live in a world of corruption when those who punish the corrupt are scorned for punishing the corrupt. They'll stop doing it.... I know I am, hence the career change....

A.) It's in a sad thread.... Wrath is a sin, one of seven deadly ones. I don't like it about myself. B.) Completely different from that doctor. All public information, all things any person, literally anyone, could do and some would say you must do (reporting crime), and no privileged or even positional information used/abused.. C.) Do you realize the sheer amount of shit I do that is far worse than this that is completely within the job description and absolutely expected of me? I routinely file motions in limine, to suppress, and to squash, to legally--doing exactly what the system was meant to do--make sure the truth never sees the light of day.... I represent people who are often horrible and it is the definition of my job to find some legal way to make the evidence be completely disregarded by the court. I'm employed in the business of putting criminals back on the streets and many of them do it again. They're called "repeat clients" and in order to scrape by and make any type of living, the system makes it so people in my business require them to exist. It isn't a church; it's a law firm--a criminal law firm: the dirtiest kind, where lawyers routinely, knowingly accuse innocent people in court of criminal acts for the "noble intention" of getting the real criminal off. This is the job and you get "judicial immunity" while doing it, because that's the only way it gets done and society (at some level) demands someone do it.

Unethical? Do you realize how much shit I take for being a defense attorney and "getting the bastards off," constantly? Do you realize how much crap I have to do representing criminals who did terrible things because the court appoints me and I don't even have a choice other than  me personally going to jail for contempt? That's right, they forcibly demand I do terrible things and punish me if I don't with jail....

It is an ugly business where cunning, and underhandedness are often rewarded, and every single first year law student is taught to NEVER, NEVER confuse legal ethics with morality--they are always mutually exclusive. Shit, if someone comes into a lawyer's office and tells them they murdered another human being and it felt good, the lawyer is actually punished if they report that to the police. They can't do it. It's a damned if you do and damned if you don't situation and it's pretty much all like that.The attorney in that article had the victim's father begging for any information on where his child's body was so he could give them a proper burial and the law said the defense attorney couldn't tell him anything though he knew exactly where the bodies were.

This all somehow falls within the bounds of ethics? I guess I just don't get it....

Couple of things I'm not sure people get about me:
1.) I'm considering this career change largely because I'm having an incredibly difficult time living with what my job absolutely forces me to do, while scorning me for doing it.
2.) If I was corrupt, I could've completely gotten away with "losing"  hundreds of thousands, perhaps millions of dollars by now and no one could catch me, because I'm in the business of people not getting caught. Instead, I'm railing against blatant injustices by a police force with officers I've routinely caught lying on the stand who suffer no repercussions for this.... Speaking of no repercussions, I'm helping multiple businesses tread water because their managers are too incompetent to do so and the people who work for them will pay the price if I don't. I'm fighting some very corrupt managers and police. I'm going broke from doing so.... Corruption typically doesn't aim for poverty,

and finally,

3.) I respect Justice and Ethics profoundly, there's perhaps nothing I respect more. I often spend 14 hours a day pursuing them. People often tell me I'm a corrupt little bastard because I "put criminals back on the streets" That's why I'm so surprised people would hate me for that and then scorn me for doing nothing more than turning a single criminal in for what he's done....

I guess I just don't get it.... I'm being forced to sell out and help a corporation dodge taxes as their accountant because society values that more than Justice. Don't worry; I don't think I'll be doing the whole Justice thing much longer. Actually, maybe people should worry that no one's doing it....

How's that for sad?
« Last Edit: January 03, 2012, 07:49:08 am by Truean »
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #41573 on: January 03, 2012, 07:49:47 am »

Truean, I thought that after he made you mad for not giving you a job, you looked up his records out of spite to find a way of getting back at him. Hence the comparison to the actual case of a doctor doing so in Sweden not long ago. Read your post again in this light, I'm sure you can understand how it looked to me. If this was not the case, then I'm sorry. Our society rests on a weak hinge of trust that those we trust with power do not abuse said power for their personal gain - and I get very pissed off when people do. It wouldn't had mattered if the guy had been completely innocent or a complete monster, it was the alleged misuse of trust and responsibility that was unethical.

So, once again, I apologize if I jumped to conclusions. It was a gut-reaction.
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« Reply #41574 on: January 03, 2012, 08:02:51 am »

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Our society rests on a weak hinge of trust that those we trust with power do not abuse said power for their personal gain

1) Not in America it doesn't. Here, it is expected that those with power will abuse it to the full extent of the law, and beyond if there's a reasonable chance they won't get caught.
2) Truean didn't actually gain anything.
3) Even assuming he'd gone all detective, turning a criminal over to the police doesn't seem like an abuse of power.
4) The other guy was abusing his power quite a bit more than Truean was, if Truean was doing so at all

This guy was abusing like a dozen flaws and the system - nepotism, avoiding legal repercussions, so on - and if anything Trueans actions are more likely to reinforce that society wide level of trust than to harm.
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« Reply #41575 on: January 03, 2012, 08:29:37 am »

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Our society rests on a weak hinge of trust that those we trust with power do not abuse said power for their personal gain

1) Not in America it doesn't. Here, it is expected that those with power will abuse it to the full extent of the law, and beyond if there's a reasonable chance they won't get caught.
2) Truean didn't actually gain anything.
3) Even assuming he'd gone all detective, turning a criminal over to the police doesn't seem like an abuse of power.
4) The other guy was abusing his power quite a bit more than Truean was, if Truean was doing so at all

This guy was abusing like a dozen flaws and the system - nepotism, avoiding legal repercussions, so on - and if anything Trueans actions are more likely to reinforce that society wide level of trust than to harm.


This is, of course, if anything about the said scenario actually happened...
I.E. Truean, how do you know for certain that the man hired for the job WAS actually related to an employee, and even then, maybe it wasn't nepotism, maybe they genuinely thought he was better than you.

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However, if the story IS true, than I definitely agree with your decision. Even if the root of it all was to spite him.

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« Reply #41576 on: January 03, 2012, 10:48:20 am »

This is, of course, if anything about the said scenario actually happened...
I.E. Truean, how do you know for certain that the man hired for the job WAS actually related to an employee, and even then, maybe it wasn't nepotism, maybe they genuinely thought he was better than you.

The funny thing about being an attorney is you learn how to prove stuff.... It's pretty easy to check for the same last name (father and son). It really isn't even detective work to look someone up online: his Facebook and Myspace are public with very few privacy settings. The 22 year old kid who got the job doesn't know anything; I talked to him. He doesn't know basic Microsoft excel formulas or commands. He doesn't have the required degree(s) or certification(s), or really any experience at all. He's never worked a day in his life. Compare that to me or any of the other people there, some of whom were CPAs or other tax preparation specialists and it's no contest.   Also, I mentioned that part about hiring manager (aka shithead) accepting personal favors, goods, or just plain old monetary bribes...? Yeah.... You can track that:

Red Flags:
Funny things start to happen when some HR guy starts silently demanding $1000 or more in bribes for applicants to be hired at a company. Namely, some people working there get pissed about the fact that they had to pay for it and even though they can't say much openly, they do talk about it.The way I was turned down made no sense to me and it raised my red flags. If you're sincerely telling me I'm the best interview you've had in quite some time, then why the crap not hire me. (no, no question mark for this) Why wouldn't you hire the best interview for the job? None of this makes sense. Moreover, if I did something wrong in the interview, then I want to know about it so I don't repeat said mistake.

Asking around:
So, I talk with the person in the company who originally told me about the job posting. (I had done work for her before and she knew I was insanely qualified so it really would've been nice for the company). She doesn't work in the department this guy hires for, but she had me talk to some people who do. Upon asking if there was something I should know or that I did wrong:

Them: "I really didn't think you'd have trouble."
Me: "Yeah me either."
Them: "How much did you give him."
Me: "Well, I admit my resume was 6 pages, but he seemed impressed with it and I can tell he actually read it, because we talked about most of the parts of it."
Them: "[Kinda looks at me funny] Na, I mean how much did you give him...?"
Me: "What you mean like money or something?"
Them: "Well... yeah, or something."

From there, it doesn't take much to see where it went. He's selling getting-hired-for-jobs in his department, and everyone there paid him somehow. They aren't really happy about this either and It takes very little imagination to see exactly what else he's doing along the same lines. So I check a little further and talk to more people, the stories are slightly different but the parable stays the same: you do something for him or you don't work there.... Yeah....

More to the point, said employees are not loyal to him and wouldn't mind him paying for his bullshit so they're more than happy to talk to someone they think might be able to take shithead down: me. I'm strongly considering referring them to an employment law attorney, because I'm not really going down that road personally (I do some employment law, but no thanks). Turns out there are 7 people there who he extorted this way that I currently know of. The more I hear the more disgusted I get. The stuff he is doing, including stuff I won't even list here, is highly illegal....

I just adore management extorting desperate people just trying to get a job and then continuing to do so after they're employed.... Forget his stupid car; he can get that back right after he pays the tickets, which include parking in a handicapped spot when not handicapped. He's well bribed and some of the money can come from that. I imagine corporate would like to know the person they've paid to get quality employees is actually just taking whomever bribes him. Moreover, all of this money is under the table: "tax free." Why, hello IRS.... He's been doing this for years and for every hire he gets at least a grand or so.... You're talking potential back tax liability on tens, or perhaps hundreds of thousands of dollars....

Yes, part of this is spite and wrath on my part. Yes, those are character flaws I regret having. However, I'm absolutely putting them to good use and what I'm doing is completely above board and legal. He does this crap all the time, except now he has finally done it to someone who can do something about it....
« Last Edit: January 03, 2012, 10:55:25 am by Truean »
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #41577 on: January 03, 2012, 11:09:19 am »

I guess I just don't get it.... I'm being forced to sell out and help a corporation dodge taxes as their accountant because society values that more than Justice. Don't worry; I don't think I'll be doing the whole Justice thing much longer. Actually, maybe people should worry that no one's doing it....

How's that for sad?
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I'm strongly considering referring them to an employment law attorney. Turns out there are 7 people there who he extorted this way that I currently know of. The more I hear the more disgusted I get. The stuff he is doing, including stuff I won't even list here, is highly illegal....
I think you should refer them to another attorney. Using his position as hiring manager for personal gain in a job market like this? That's not something that can be allowed. Even if you just set them up with another attorney you'll be a fucking hero in my book, Truean.
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« Reply #41578 on: January 03, 2012, 12:06:37 pm »

Thank you....

I probably will refer them to another attorney who specializes in this area. I can't take the case myself, because I'm a fact witness who saw him doing it. The role of attorney and witness aren't compatible, because you can't cross examine an attorney when he or she is representing a client in the trial in question. Just like a GP physician who does a partial diagnosis before referring you to a specialist, I have to investigate a little before handing this off to someone else.... I have just the attorney in mind actually. She does employment law and her sexual harassment litigation experience will be used well here, unfortunately.

I think I'll also provide some worksheets for her to complete with the final amounts for the IRS. She can't threaten charges when considering a civil lawsuit. I suffer from no such restriction.
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #41579 on: January 03, 2012, 12:25:17 pm »

Truean is like the Hellboy of lawyers: a being created for evil (a lawyer :P), using her powers for good. And being generally badass while doing it.
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