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[Bohandas]

The discussion of whether beliefs should be criminalized is rather pointless, until someone can come up with a practical way to actually carry out that criminalization.

I want to go on record as saying that beliefs themselves should not be criminalized even if a way of carrying out criminalization is developed. That's the worst possible civil liberties violation that I can even imagine.

[Truean]

The discussion of whether beliefs should be criminalized is rather pointless, until someone can come up with a practical way to actually carry out that criminalization.

I want to go on record as saying that beliefs themselves should not be criminalized even if a way of carrying out criminalization is developed. That's the worst possible civil liberties violation that I can even imagine.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_crime
Assault is assault. Murder is murder. Clearly both are wrong regardless of who the victim is. When you do it because the victim is of a specific class (and thus presumably because you believe that class is somehow "bad"), you're looking at a few more years added to the sentence. (It is a sentence enhancement).

I've actually seen the aftermath of one of these, or rather what arguably should've been classified as one of these. Apparently when someone is murdered in an apartment, people no longer want to live there....

While all of these things truly do make me sad, I fear I've inadvertently wandered off topic? That would also make me sad.

[Bohandas]

The discussion of whether beliefs should be criminalized is rather pointless, until someone can come up with a practical way to actually carry out that criminalization.

I want to go on record as saying that beliefs themselves should not be criminalized even if a way of carrying out criminalization is developed. That's the worst possible civil liberties violation that I can even imagine.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_crime
Assault is assault. Murder is murder. Clearly both are wrong regardless of who the victim is. When you do it because the victim is of a specific class (and thus presumably because you believe that class is somehow "bad"), you're looking at a few more years added to the sentence. (It is a sentence enhancement).

Yes, but beliefs by themselves are harmless until acted upon.

[Lord Shonus]

And th e entire rationale for the "Hate Crime" designation is that such crimes tend to be more reandom and more vicious than conventional ones. Thus, it's still penalizing a pattern of behavior rather than a belief.

[scriver]

I suggest a new thread would be nice if people want to continue discussing that. All for?

[Duke 2.0]

 Seems like prime stuff for the progressive rage thread. We will get a chance to get into this stuff in detail, don't sweat it too much. And the original post Truean made is worthy of our empathy. And, unfortunately, sympathy from a few of us.

[Bauglir]

And the original post Truean made is worthy of our empathy. And, unfortunately, sympathy from a few of us.

This. Truean, the world is certainly better for your presence in it. I hope karma is a thing, because if earning good things is possible it's something you've certainly done.

[scriver]

And the original post Truean made is worthy of our empathy. And, unfortunately, sympathy from a few of us.

Of course, I agree. The discussion had left it's origins, though.

This. Truean, the world is certainly better for your presence in it. I hope karma is a thing, because if earning good things is possible it's something you've certainly done.

Also, this.

[Angel Of Death]

I got tubgirled... I'm never clicking on an escaped lunatic's link again.

That one was noah22223, proving again why a ban was justified.

Oh god. I had respect for him. Until now, that is.

[Ultimuh]

I got tubgirled... I'm never clicking on an escaped lunatic's link again.

Because of your post.. I got curious and googled this..

D:

I now know the reason for a creeper's existance.
For brain bleach cannot erase it..

[Virex]

I got tubgirled... I'm never clicking on an escaped lunatic's link again.

Oh gods the joy of having no functional visual memory.

[Dsarker]

I got tubgirled... I'm never clicking on an escaped lunatic's link again.

Oh gods the joy of having no functional visual memory.

Meh. I've already forgotten it.

[Ultimuh]

Fortunaly, I only read about it on the Urban dictionary..
But it was still.. still.. D:

[The Merchant Of Menace]

bleh.. you'd think with them back in prison I'd be able to sleep easier..
I just feel more scared now..

[jc6036]

tubgirl. OH GOD WHAT THE FUCK JUST HAPPENED I CAN'T SEE ANYMORE