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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #35070 on: August 13, 2011, 11:40:54 am »

I tried to get to sleep for five hours last night. Nothing. Now approaching Hour 20 of sleeplessness. Could probably sleep now, but that would screw up my scheduled even further. Must stay awake for 12 more hours. Must remain sane. Must retain typing facilities. My fingers jerk in random directions instead of to the correct key every two words now. Must use spellcheck.
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #35071 on: August 13, 2011, 11:47:39 am »

5-2=3+3=6. From left to right. That's because PEMDAS is bullshit (edit: okay, maybe not bullshit, but extremely misleading) since multiplication and addition don't have priority before divisions and substractions respectively.

The Germans have the simple to remember phrase "Punkt vor Strich", meaning dots before lines, * and : before + and -.
Wait, I always learned PEMDAS, but that the MD and AS were together, and you do them left to right.
... I really hope I wasn't wrong all this time.  :-X
No, you were quite right about that.
So even the order of operations can change and are even disputed? @_@  Well there goes what little understanding of math I had...

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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #35072 on: August 13, 2011, 12:04:26 pm »

I've been having some computer problems that I couldn't diagnose so I decided to do a fresh windows install. All but a small number of my files are stored on a second HDD. I moved a few folders of files from my C: drive and started the new installation only to realise I'd not moved my passwords or bookmarks. Luckily I have a backup from a few months back for my bookmarks and I've been using Read It Later a lot. The problem is that I don't remember my Read It Now password or username and it turns out that I didn't connect it with my email.

TL/DR: Reformatted drive and lost passwords, last few months of bookmarks, Read It Now username; password; and a load more links through that.
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #35073 on: August 13, 2011, 12:12:14 pm »

I may have stranger perspective on basic math. You guys seem to focus on the numbers. I focus on the operators, the numbers are only important when attached to an operator.

5-2+3 is:

+5
-2
+3

and the order does not matter.

Operators are arranged in tiers with priority in order: (), ^ root, * /, + -. It essentially creates a tree, and you can shuffle the leaves on any branch as much as you want, or shuffle sub-branches off a larger branch all you want, and the answer is always the same.

So no, it isn't that order of operation changes or is disputed, its that the way people teach it can be confusing.
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #35074 on: August 13, 2011, 12:38:43 pm »

I may have stranger perspective on basic math. You guys seem to focus on the numbers. I focus on the operators, the numbers are only important when attached to an operator.

5-2+3 is:

+5
-2
+3

and the order does not matter.

Operators are arranged in tiers with priority in order: (), ^ root, * /, + -. It essentially creates a tree, and you can shuffle the leaves on any branch as much as you want, or shuffle sub-branches off a larger branch all you want, and the answer is always the same.

So no, it isn't that order of operation changes or is disputed, its that the way people teach it can be confusing.
We were always taught about BODMAS. Brackets, of , divide, multiply, addition, subtraction.
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #35075 on: August 13, 2011, 01:34:06 pm »

Strange, because I was taught about this in SHIAFO-DWI.





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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #35076 on: August 13, 2011, 01:59:43 pm »

Hm, since there's stuff flying around, I'm not sure whether it's pemdas that I'm doing, I think it is.
2^(5+2)+14*23-4/4
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2^7+14*23-4/4
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128+14*23-4/4
MD->
128+322-1
AS
449
I'm pretty sure I'm doing it right. But if I'm wrong please inform me so I can fixerate my maths.
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #35077 on: August 13, 2011, 02:09:14 pm »

I was taught the infix notation in school, but I quickly realized that Polish notation (normal or reverse) also known as prefix notation (postfix notation if reversed) is superior. Parsing calculations is simpler and stuff like brackets are unnecessary for retaining unambiguity.

For example, the infix statement 10 / 2 + 4 * (2 + 2)
translates to the prefix statement + / 10 2 * 4 + 2 2
with lots of nested (although unnecessary) brackets added to clarify the order of computation +(/(10 2) *(4 +(2 2)))

This is also intuitive for computer programming.


I may have typoed something, it's getting late here.
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #35078 on: August 13, 2011, 02:19:45 pm »

I had to look that up on Wikipedia and I can respond only that this is brilliant madness.
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« Reply #35079 on: August 13, 2011, 02:36:25 pm »

So now I've got a high level of proficiency in 3 languages.
Not enough :-\
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #35080 on: August 13, 2011, 02:38:49 pm »

So now I've got a high level of proficiency in 3 languages.
Not enough :-\
Well shit that sucks.  You haven't learned anything yet.
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« Reply #35081 on: August 13, 2011, 02:44:36 pm »

Well, I'd like to learn at least two more.
Because everybody (here) seems to know 4+.

Damn, if I hadn't succumbed to peer pressure at the age of 12, I would know french today.
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #35082 on: August 13, 2011, 02:46:36 pm »

We are all multicultural geniuses.
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« Reply #35083 on: August 13, 2011, 03:00:40 pm »

My English is passable, and I know enough Spanish to ask for a bathroom, a beer, and a bed. You can join me in the under-achieving club.
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #35084 on: August 13, 2011, 03:02:36 pm »

I had to look that up on Wikipedia and I can respond only that this is brilliant madness.

Hehe, as part of a summer study thing I had to program a reverse Polish notation calculator in Java.  Pretty cool, pretty cool~!


I feel really tense and stressed out about my grade.  *sigh*

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