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[Aklyon]

Final NASA manned mission today.

If you havn't seen it, then you missed it.

Wait what? Nooooo!

Nooooooooo!

Related.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

I am not against research

We have to actually go into space to do space research.

but the Planet is not threatened anytime soon

We can render our own species extinct with our weapons of war Right. This. Second. Right now, as I type this sentence and you read it, we are under threat from our fellow humans nuking the planet to dust.

and space colonies are pipedreams of kids until we populate the sea and Antarctis.

Hardly. Oceanic colonization and Arctic colonization are admirable goals, but no less worthy of our attention than space colonization. Your statement is equivalent to: "Don't bother trying to make Nuclear Fusion work because we don't have perfect Solar Cells yet."

All the money and resources wasted into playing space heroes

I'm not very familiar with the EU's space program, but absolutely nothing NASA does with their ever more limited budget is anything but a highly calculated move to make results with what they have, not playing space heroes.

could be used on clean sustainable energy

NASA already created viable solar cells and petroleum remediation.

food

NASA also created food preservation techniques.

infrastructure

Infrastructure in space is the first step to making it viable, such as the environment provided by the ISS.

and the improvement of the world of those living here.

See Also: Everything else on this list.

Research in medicine, health care and many things much more constructive.

We have the space industry to thank for portable dialysis machines and heart pumps.

Space colonization is not now, and it is not soon, it is wasted energy.

It won't be ever if we don't work towards it. You know how we're all kicking ourselves because the oil is running out and we didn't plan ahead to be able to maintain our lives without it? Your attitude towards space is going to do that to all of humanity one day. Earth isn't always going to be here for us, and the sooner we don't have to rely upon it for the continuation of our species, the better off we'll be.

Can't you see that there's a bigger picture here than just us in the here and now? I'm more than willing to sacrifice a little now to ensure that our descendents won't have to suffer and die because of our short-sightedness if that's what it takes, but that isn't even what it takes! We have only ever benefited from space exploration.

[Aklyon]

Even the conspiracy thoerists benefited from space, it gave them more to conspiricize about.

[Lysabild]

MSH, it is not the man that stood on the moon that gave us all this, it is the research into the individual thing, they needed, to do space travel.


Nukes will kill everyone whether we're here or there, and if humanity proves stupid enough to fire the first one we bloody well don't deserve to survive.

Space colonization will be relevant, when we need space. We don't. And when we do, we have tons of better options, rather than sending food into space, while a third of the planet starves.

EU/NASA/PENIS, I don't care who uses money on playing astronauts, I think it's an utter waste.

If solar cells and petroleum remidiation are sustainable energy, why are we still burning oil/fossils stuff(Sorry I really don't know the english word right now)

Food preservation =/= Feeding the planet

Infrastructure on earth. We need infrastructure here, on earth. Not on the moon.

That list is fine, but it is not the result of space, it is the result of being needed for space.

Again, same thing.

We can work on it when people aren't dying due to corporations greedily taking advantage of the third world. I am against EU for a reason, it makes everything made outside the EU expensive, so farmers in the EU can live the sweet life, and Africans die of hunger, then we sell our stuff in their lands so cheap, their own producers go out of business. And then we wonder why, they're not progressing.

Earth will be here for thousands of years, and longer than we will. Life on earth will only run out if we're stupid, and treat it as if it's replaceable, by sending the money to space.

[Leafsnail]

MSH, it is not the man that stood on the moon that gave us all this, it is the research into the individual thing, they needed, to do space travel.

Tautology.  The fact remains that none of this stuff would be around without the space programme.

Unless you're specifically criticising manned missions to the moon, in which case I shall give you the good news that man hasn't been to the moon for over 30 years.

EU/NASA/PENIS, I don't care who uses money on playing astronauts, I think it's an utter waste.

In spite of the huge number of spinoff products (such as, I dunno, satellite navigation, something which would be fundamentally impossible without space exploration).

If solar cells and petroleum remidiation are sustainable energy, why are we still burning oil/fossils stuff(Sorry I really don't know the english word right now)

Because it's somewhat cheaper, the infrastructure for new technologies would require investment and the market isn't good at looking at the long term.

That list is fine, but it is not the result of space, it is the result of being needed for space.

What is the difference?  And I shall again cite satellite navigation and cartography (both excellent for delivering food aid and assessing natural disasters) as examples of things that are directly and unseparably linked to going in to space (you can't get satellites into space unless you put things into space).

[Lysabild]

So, what would you choose today, A colony on the moon for your space wanking, or a functioning Educational System and your family not having to fear illness, Disease and Poverty?

[Leafsnail]

So just ignore the actual content of my reply and my specific counterexamples and instead just accuse me of something random.

Hint: I never even mentioned moon colonies.

[Lysabild]

So just ignore the actual content of my reply and my specific counterexamples and instead just accuse me of something random.

Hint: I never even mentioned moon colonies.

Sorry, but it was not aimed at you only, but at all the Americans feeling butthurt over what I say. I agree that some good has come of it of course, but nothing I wouldn't exchange for better means to fight cancer, or better ways to feed the population.

I am also not saying the space programme is wasted, I'm saying any continued money spent on sending men to space is wasted until we are in actual need of something out there.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

Sorry, but it was not aimed at you only, but at all the Americans feeling butthurt over what I say.

I don't talk down to you because of your nationality.

I agree that some good has come of it of course, but nothing I wouldn't exchange for better means to fight cancer, or better ways to feed the population.

False Dichotomy. Having a space program isn't going to prevent us from doing cancer or agricultural research.

I'm saying any continued money spent on sending men to space is wasted until we are in actual need of something out there.

Robotics technology is very advanced, but there is only so much we can do with machines. We need humans to factor in at some point in order to make meaningful progress, such as the ones on the ISS, which was what this launch was about.

[scriver]

Naah, Lysabild is totally right. We should definitely not work on how to go into space before we need to go there. That doesn't make any sense, people. It's like when people tell me to start saving my money, but why should I do that now? I have cash now, why should I not spend it? I can totally begin saving when I'm out of work and in need of money.

[warhammer651]

Not to mention that next to every other government agency (especially the military) NASA gets next to no funding whatsoever.

[Lysabild]

I didn't talk down to you, I mentioned the nationality of those who seem to think my philosophy will spell the doom of the world. It's like reading Republicans hear the word Socialist or Health Care.



It's also not false dichotomy, while we can do them also, we could also spend even more money on it, which is what I want.



I don't get your last comment, robots or men, we don't need more space expeditions. Yet.

Naah, Lysabild is totally right. We should definitely not work on how to go into space before we need to go there. That doesn't make any sense, people. It's like when people tell me to start saving my money, but why should I do that now? I have cash now, why should I not spend it? I can totally begin saving when I'm out of work and in need of money.

Again, we're not going to need these glorious space colonies within the next hundred years, if the world was actually doing well, people weren't starving and being oppressed and the world was getting together on these projects I'd find it a good use of money, but now, while in crisis, while having shit to our knees, I find it a rather shameful use of money indeed.

Not to mention that next to every other government agency (especially the military) NASA gets next to no funding whatsoever.

Compared is the keyword. Money is money.

[Darvi]

Question: Has anybody other than Nine been talking about space colonies?

[Lysabild]

Question: Has anybody other than Nine been talking about space colonies?

Answer: Read the discussion.

Edit: Here, for the lazy:

So, I googled it and read about it, and it didn't interest me one bit. What do I care about space flight? We are wasting money that could be spend making our lifes on earth better for all I care.

You should care about space flight because it has been one of the largest non-war based sources of technology humanity has ever had, and it is our future. By going into space, we are making our lives on Earth better through research and eventually resources. The planet isn't an unlimited crucible, Lysabild. We're going to drain this place dry one day, no matter how effectively we try not to, and when that happens we need to be ready. Right now, humanity is in a fragile state. We could destroy our species here, but if we work to have colonies elsewhere in the solar system that won't be as big of a threat anymore.

[Aklyon]

You know, this reminds of the IPv6 problem somewhat. We've had it, or at least the idea of it, for a quite awhile (10+ years at least), but now that we actually need it there too much stuff that needs to be done to actually use it soon.