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[Heron TSG]

Ah well, hi-res vaginae won't kill you, save for very specific circumstances.

Such as in front of your parents

Or when it is covered in pustules and blisters.

Now, what was this topic, again?

[Vertigon]

Now, what was this topic, again?

Not that. Anything but that.

[Tack]

Agreed. The topic was something completely innocuous and harmless.

I 'sold' a bottle of vodka to my cousin about a month ago. I say 'sold' in that I said 'I bought this and will never drink it, so you can have it for thirty dollars'. At which point he took it out of the freezer and left. When I texted him about it, he replied 'i'll give you the money on friday'. That was friday a month ago. I still have not gotten any money for it, nor have I eaten today. He knows both of these things.
I will never lend him money again.

[Euld]

I posted a while ago in the happy thread about me and a friend finding a site that would give us relatively basic access to programs like Maya to help our video game company get started, all for a not so bad monthly fee.  I couldn't access it right away because I had to leave on a family vacation, so I told him to get to know the programs while I was gone so we'd be able to make up for lost time.  I worked on concepts and ideas during the vacation as best I could with pen and paper, knowing he was probably accomplishing way more than I could.  I came to his place this weekend to see what he'd learned, and to see what we could build on.

Turns out he "lost all motivation" when I had to go on my family vacation (I had no choice in the matter about going, none), and wasted a good two weeks doing nothing at all.  So I had to wrestle his username and password out of him to load up the site to find the darn programs myself.  After two bad rounds of League of Legends.  Then I couldn't find them on the website.  And my friend laughed.  Finally posted on their forums, and their moderators curtly replied, "we only provide access to thousands of training videos here, you'll have to get the programs yourself."  Woah woah hey now, let me look up your advertisement that said... no wait, it heavily implied that I'd get access to those programs, but could also be taken to mean that I'd get access to their overpriced training software, not the actual gaming software.  When I tried to post about the advertisement in the forums, my post was "directed to the moderators for consideration" and was never actually posted.  Swell.

Back to square one again.  Is this an American thing or something?  I can't make games until I pay tens of thousands of dollars in software.  I can't make that much money without selling games.  I also need a ton of experience in game design, which I'd get from education in gaming... if I had the money.  It's so infuriating.  I see companies with experience, money, talent, time, and the expertise, and they crap out games like Metroid: Other M.  And all I can think about is "if I had been on that team, I could have made a difference.  I know good characterization, I know how to write, I could have made that game shine."  But no, no I can't.  I'm not good enough.

[Tack]

No, it's because you aren't rich enough.

[Tellemurius]

no because you are not smart enough >.>
you really don't have to pay anything if you can program everything

[Rose]

try learning blender. it's free.

[Jackrabbit]

no because you are not smart enough >.>
you really don't have to pay anything if you can program everything

And with what information are you making that assumption? Provide some please, I am interested as to how you know you can start up a video game company (a for-profit venture, incidentally, not what Toady is doing) without spending a cent if you have enough programming knowledge.

And if that sounded hostile, I promise this was an honest question and I don't mean to offend.

[breadbocks]

Yeah, the gaming industry is kind of a Turtles all the way down kind of thing. You need to start in an exsisting company, and get the practice you need before you have a prayer of getting anywhere with your own company.

[Tellemurius]

shit, i was gonna say you could have done the toady way except charge people money. in the end, its possible you can program a whole game yourself, theres enough products online that can be used with your game as long you provide a royalty fee or even just credit the product. obviously art is going to be a moneyhole.

[Tack]

Do it the Notch way, obviously.

[RedKing]

It's very possible to do games without using all the fancy, big-ticket game dev software. That's pretty much what the indie gaming scene is all about.

It's damn near impossible to do an indie game that will resemble the glossy, special-effects laden extravaganzas of a Mass Effect 2, or CoD: Black Ops. That's where the big-ticket software seperates the commercial games from the indies.

In the same way that you can do a brilliant film with a digital camcorder or an old Hi8 camera for $10,000. But it's never going to look like Avatar, no matter how brilliant a cinematographer you have.

You wanna make games, don't worry about the gloss. The core of a great game is....well, exactly that. A great game. Which is something that comes from the mind of the designer, not from 3DStudio or GameBryo or any of those sort of tools.

[Tack]

Yeah, The movie El Mariachi cost 1000 dollars to make, I think.

And then it made a bucketload, so they made the sequels, Desperado and Once upon a time in Mexico.

[Jackrabbit]

Oh, I'm not saying it's not possible, certainly. Also, looking forward to seeing how you manage. Best of luck to you.

[Taco Dan]

I had a dream where a cute little brown dog just walked into our house and I was petting it, and suddenly our two cats come around the corner and start hissing at it and chasing it off. then they started to purr very loudly and collapsing in front of me trying to be cute. Poor dog.


I wonder if cats get jealous.