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[Ochita]

http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2010-08/nih-research-chief-stop-all-human-embryonic-stem-cell-experiments
D:

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*facepalm*

..... These are cells that are not specialised and so are very special as they can be turned into other cells. That dumbass.

[Vector]

They'll overturn it eventually.  They'd better, anyway, if they know what's good for them :I

[Ochita]

Yeah. I mean what is the main No/No of the reasearch?

[Vector]

Yeah. I mean what is the main No/No of the reasearch?

Fuzzy lines about when people become people and we shouldn't cut them apart For Science.

[alway]

Which of course is rather silly, since the fertilized embryos in question would have been thrown in the garbage from an IVF clinic anyway. Or as Monty Python put it, "Every sperm is sacred!"

[Vector]

Which of course is rather silly, since the fertilized embryos in question would have been thrown in the garbage from an IVF clinic anyway.

But at least we wouldn't be playing God.  Just Garbageman.

[alway]

Na, we leave playing gods to Ventor and his coworkers creating life from a computer.
Ah, modern science... How thee make fundamentalists squirm...

[ChairmanPoo]

THey'll overturn it eventually, but many research teams will be severely damaged by this, unless they overturn it real quick. There are also rumors that they might stop research with NIH grants outside NIH installations proper.

Well, if worse comes to worst, there's still CIRM. Thank Azathoth for Proposition 71.

Edit 1: I also kind of hope that if things get delayed, those research teams using ESCs will be able to carry on at least part of their work with IPSc's. The problem is that one of the things for which ESCs were being used was precisedly improving IPSc generating methods. Bummer

Edit 2: And there is also a lot of R&D abroad. Which will of course appeal to the many US researchers that will find themselves without grant money in the US, if the "temporary injunction" becomes a permanent one.

[Tilla]

I personally say a fetus becomes a human at age 18.

[Il Palazzo]

I personally say a fetus becomes a human at age 18.

Take it back. I'm way over 18 and still feel like a foetus.

[ChairmanPoo]

The funny thing is that all this stuff has ended up leaving things more restricted than under Bush. That's right, folks, Judge Lamberth makes Dubya seem liberal and reasonable

[nenjin]

A kid I worked with before, but didn't know that well, apparently had to have a medical induced coma because he's an alcoholic who was on the verge of a total, health-related collapse. I guess he wasn't eating, couldn't even keep his alcohol down any more, and started going into withdrawal and having seizures.

So they took him to the hospital, put him under and are pumping him full of fluids and nutrients. I guess he's doing better and they're slowly bringing him out of his coma.

It just makes me sad because I never knew. I knew the kid partied a lot, but I didn't know he was a self-destructive alcoholic. I really hope he can get his life on track, he's too good of a kid to let it all go down the tubes like that.

[Josephus]

http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2010-08/nih-research-chief-stop-all-human-embryonic-stem-cell-experiments
D:

...
*facepalm*

..... These are cells that are not specialised and so are very special as they can be turned into other cells. That dumbass.

Hell, even lord Bush okayed this in a limited fashion. What is up with the NIH today.

[ChairmanPoo]

It's not the NIH. It's Judge Lamberth's damn injunction. The NIH supports ESC research

[MetalSlimeHunt]

A kid I worked with before, but didn't know that well, apparently had to have a medical induced coma because he's an alcoholic who was on the verge of a total, health-related collapse. I guess he wasn't eating, couldn't even keep his alcohol down any more, and started going into withdrawal and having seizures.

So they took him to the hospital, put him under and are pumping him full of fluids and nutrients. I guess he's doing better and they're slowly bringing him out of his coma.

It just makes me sad because I never knew. I knew the kid partied a lot, but I didn't know he was a self-destructive alcoholic. I really hope he can get his life on track, he's too good of a kid to let it all go down the tubes like that.

There is a bright side to that. If he's going to be stuck in the hospital for a while because of this he won't have access to any alcohol, except what they might give him to prevent death by widthdrawl. His addiction might lessen if it isn't fed, although alcoholism is psychological in nature.

Anyway, don't blame yourself over this. You can't hold yourself responsable for not noticing an addiction in the making. People will do things to hide and deny an addiction when they see it occuring in themselves.