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[AlleeCat]

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I want to be girly. I want to wear skirts and dresses. I want to paint my nails. I want long hair (though that isn't necessarily girly). I want, I want, I want...
But no.
If I so much as think of something like that, my parents will beat the crap out of me.

I wish I had been born the right way.

Stupid dysphoria.
Stupid society.

* Allee does not ignore.

*hugs*
Wish I could help...

[Bauglir]

Eh, it's a narrower argument than that. I can't say it's an illegitimate choice by the supporters, but I can say it's counter to all sense and reason that a pizza place is making its money off a political position that screwed its pizza income, and I can say that the business owners do not deserve any more sympathy than anybody else who knowingly makes a very risky business decision and winds up tanking the business. It's not a matter of brave underdogs taking a stand so much as it is somebody sinking their life savings into moon tourism.

[AlleeCat]

I never understood why anyone would refuse service to anyone.

OK, fine, don't take my money. I'll just go give my money to someone who isn't a bigoted asshole.

[Dutchling]

they dont want to handle your gay-cooties infested money

[Lyeos]

they dont want to handle your gay-cooties infested money

IIRC they said they were fine with serving gays, just not catering their weddings.
But, I mean, they were never actually asked to, just asked, hypothetically, if they would.

[Fniff]

It's ridiculous that they were harassed for it. If you don't agree with their politics, that's no excuse for trying to ruin their life.

[Arx]

The whole thing bothers me, really. On the one hand, refusing to cater for gay weddings is a dick move. On the other hand, harassing them for it to the point of trashing their whole business is kind of disproportionate retribution.

Edit: Fniff, stop stealing my posts!

[BFEL]

Eh, it's a narrower argument than that. I can't say it's an illegitimate choice by the supporters, but I can say it's counter to all sense and reason that a pizza place is making its money off a political position that screwed its pizza income, and I can say that the business owners do not deserve any more sympathy than anybody else who knowingly makes a very risky business decision and winds up tanking the business. It's not a matter of brave underdogs taking a stand so much as it is somebody sinking their life savings into moon tourism.

Bauglir has made my point for me!

[Eric Blank]

I honestly can't say I appreciate seeing political motives being an excuse to wreck a business and individuals' lives by aggressively pursuing them. Its fine if you refuse to interact with them. I don't buy from fast food chains like burger king or McDonalds. But I don't send them angry messages and flood them with BS calls either. That's unnecessary and rude. It doesn't help anybody, it won't change their behavior for the better, and if anything it makes participants look like the hateful monsters in their eyes and to others, and will prevent cooperation in the future. If someone wants to help bail them out of an angry mob that's fine. Great even. Angry mobs only create more angry mobs to counter them.

I honestly think a lot of conservatives refuse to accept progressives' ideals or tolerate their presence simply because they see something like this going on, someone being aggressively pursued in a modern day witch hunt, and decide they want nothing to do with it and need to avoid these people at all costs. Its really counter productive anyway.

[AlleeCat]

There are plenty of different kinds of people I don't like, but if I owned a business I would never refuse service to them unless they were actively harassing my customers, even if it was legal, and that's on an individual basis anyway.

I mean, if a guy came in with swastika tattoos and a shirt that said 'Heil Hitler' on it, I'd still happily take his money, but the second he starts harassing Jewish customers, his ass is out the door.

The whole thing bothers me, really. On the one hand, refusing to cater for gay weddings is a dick move. On the other hand, harassing them for it to the point of trashing their whole business is kind of disproportionate retribution.

I have no sympathy for them. If they want to be hateful assholes, they shouldn't be surprised when people are hateful assholes to them. Does the Bible not state, "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you?"

[Bohandas]

It's a sad thing, how interpretations go. :/
Like, Nowhere in the Christian Bible noted homosexuality as a sin--in quoting scripted verses, they oft miss out on what exactly is being done, and instead jump on the allegorical superficiality it represents, which then acts as a conclusion more often than not, due to lacking understanding.

Stupid social stigma causing all these problems.

By "Christian Bible" do you mean the New Testament specifically? Because it definitely says that in the Old Testament; in the accursed Book of Leviticus

[Dutchling]

The whole thing bothers me, really. On the one hand, refusing to cater for gay weddings is a dick move. On the other hand, harassing them for it to the point of trashing their whole business is kind of disproportionate retribution.

I have no sympathy for them. If they want to be hateful assholes, they shouldn't be surprised when people are hateful assholes to them. Does the Bible not state, "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you?"

I love your take on problem solving.

[BFEL]

I would never refuse service to them

Read as "would never refuse to service them." Cannot unsee.

[WillowLuman]

Fundamentalists demand people live by a strictly literal interpretation of the bible, but they selectively ignore parts of it, thus making their choice of which bits to strictly and literally enforce completely arbitrary. After all, they're not insisting people don't wear mixed fabrics or eat pork. They pull that one specific bit out of Leviticus and ignore the rest of it (and the Old Testament) for being Jewish.

[Fniff]

AlleeCat: The point isn't to sympathise with them. If you go into an 'eye for an eye' mode about it, your whole side looks worse.
You can see how easily this could be used by some Fox News pundit.
"Look! The liberals are shutting down small businesses for their cause! They're pissing on the American dream!"
When both sides do equally shitty things because they think the other side deserves it, then you can't have a rational discussion that achieves anything.