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Author Topic: Things that made you sad today thread.  (Read 9443821 times)

timferius

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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #86535 on: January 07, 2015, 03:12:16 pm »

I'm just going to continue structuring sentences to avoid pronouns for anyone I don't know well enough to pronoun. It's a bit trickier if you don't know their name, but doable.
Edit: Correction, avoid using gender specific pronouns. You, They etc. still usable obviously.
« Last Edit: January 07, 2015, 03:14:59 pm by timferius »
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #86536 on: January 07, 2015, 03:13:06 pm »

I'm going to be honest here
I really don't care what someone identifies as
I'm still going to say people, guys, dudes, and the such
And that's only because the way people found where I have lived used them all interchangeably
Yes we used guys to refer to females, same with dudes. The words had a different meaning than most know them by so I honestly don't care I'm still going to use it because that's how I know to use it.

Yeah, this is basically how I think about it. Don't bother trying to accommodate everyone differently when you're already accomodating everyone identically. I have a hard enough time recalling and recognizing faces and associating them to names, trying to remember how they want to be referred to results in too much confusion.

their sanity and well-being is more important than your convenience.
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #86537 on: January 07, 2015, 03:16:44 pm »

they might need a therapist
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Cryxis, Prince of Doom

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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #86538 on: January 07, 2015, 03:19:08 pm »

So what you are trying to tell me with that article is that
If I don't instantly call someone by the proper what have you then I might as well be insulting them to the fullest degree just because I call them what I call anyone else?
It's not that I don't think of what/who they are when I speak, no no no, its that I really don't care what you are. It makes no difference to me, it doesn't change my opinion of people and I don't see why grabs people should be treated differently than normal people unless they do want to be made seperate from everyone and be treated like they aren't people.
I say what I say because a person is a person. Gender doesn't really matter in the way I treat people.
They are all equal
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smeeprocket

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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #86539 on: January 07, 2015, 03:20:01 pm »

Here's a really good quote from the article.

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Misgendering is hate speech, regardless of how much easier it is for you to deal with.

edit: it's like you are so busy wanting to defend your actions and what is important to you in this, you ignored the intent of the article and the effects your actions have on OTHERS. Your feelings in this are not relevant.
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #86540 on: January 07, 2015, 03:21:42 pm »

Instead of using pronouns, we should all refer to people as Blaarg, of the planet Earth
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Cryxis, Prince of Doom

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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #86541 on: January 07, 2015, 03:22:22 pm »

So treating them the same as I treat any other human being is hateful?
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #86542 on: January 07, 2015, 03:23:26 pm »

Instead of using pronouns

I'm sorry but we can't call them pronouns now. That is both hateful to professionals and verbs. The correct term is wordpersons
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #86543 on: January 07, 2015, 03:24:15 pm »

But that's what Blaarg, of the planet Earth suggested...
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #86544 on: January 07, 2015, 03:24:39 pm »

So treating them the same as I treat any other human being is hateful?

treating them the same might have a different effect due to their personal experiences. Are you the same as everyone else? Have your experiences never differed? Are there not things that severely disturb you that is not true for other people?

Multiply that by 100 and you have the problem with misgendering.

I don't understand why this is hard to grasp.

Frankly, mocking it, and making jokes about it, it reprehensible.

The things that happen to trasngendered people, including this, are not funny at all. Laughing about them doesn't make you edgy or cool.
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #86545 on: January 07, 2015, 03:26:38 pm »

I may not be the OP. But in an attempt at being a voice of sanity, I'm going to point out that this conversation is likely on it's way to a lock/purge. Perhaps we should just go back to being sad about things now?
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #86546 on: January 07, 2015, 03:28:04 pm »

In sorry but yes it's hard for me to grasp why someone that has been treated as different their whole life and be rejected by everyone wouldn't be ok with being treated like a normal person.

Maybe it's how the people around here deal with it, because it's not really problem here because we don't treat them different than other people.

And yes I'm having a hard time wrapping my mind around not treating a person like a person.
Sorry
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #86547 on: January 07, 2015, 03:31:29 pm »

In sorry but yes it's hard for me to grasp why someone that has been treated as different their whole life and be rejected by everyone wouldn't be ok with being treated like a normal person.

Maybe it's how the people around here deal with it, because it's not really problem here because we don't treat them different than other people.

And yes I'm having a hard time wrapping my mind around not treating a person like a person.
Sorry

I think you are being obtuse. You have no idea if it's a problem for the people around you.

Most transgendered people consider misgenderign a hate crime, it is erasure. It shouldn't have to be explained anymore than that. It deeply deeply hurts trans people. That should be enough encouragement not to do it.
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #86548 on: January 07, 2015, 03:31:55 pm »

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Sad: I missed school yesterday and first block today because I was on the verge of a panic attack for 36 hours. Also hating myself and feeling useless, so yeah.
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #86549 on: January 07, 2015, 03:34:51 pm »

I'm just going to stop speaking about it because apparently what people around where I live are ok with is terrible and incorrect and wrong
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