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Author Topic: Things that made you sad today thread.  (Read 9798535 times)

Lightningfalcon

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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #86325 on: January 04, 2015, 06:28:17 pm »

Please.  You are ALL sick.  With your constant talk of day care and cats...
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #86326 on: January 04, 2015, 09:57:15 pm »

In about half an hour I'll have to go back to my apartment, away from family.
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #86327 on: January 04, 2015, 10:16:09 pm »

That's not a problem, I pity everyone who isn't as awesome as me.
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #86328 on: January 04, 2015, 10:41:52 pm »

I'm sad about the amount of distain Americans have towards communism.
I have one or two friends who agree with it, several that are ok with it, and several others who think I'm a dirty commie because of it.
All because a few communist country's leaders abused their power....
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #86329 on: January 04, 2015, 10:47:11 pm »

To be fair, there are also practical problems with communism (but you're almost certainly right that the reaction against it is purely an emotional one based on the misdeeds of a few maniacs). Mostly, economies are chaotic systems, so centralized advance planning is doomed to fail without a good luck streak so wide you could fit any economic system into it, including Vermin Supreme's pony-based economy. Basically, you can make it work if you can develop a system that accurately predicts a capitalist stock market (and if you could do that, you should quickly be able to gather the money to gather the political clout necessary to start making it happen, and also you would have a magnificent beard and ride to work on a unicorn every day because you're some kind of wizard).
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #86330 on: January 04, 2015, 10:50:36 pm »

Doesn't it also work better for smaller countries/populaces?
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #86331 on: January 04, 2015, 10:55:11 pm »

Something the size of a village, perhaps.
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #86332 on: January 04, 2015, 10:56:27 pm »

Digital Socialism!
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #86333 on: January 04, 2015, 10:56:48 pm »

I mean doesn't it become easier as the size of the populace it governs decreases?
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #86334 on: January 04, 2015, 10:57:14 pm »

Almost certainly, since the smaller you get it the simpler the system becomes. You could sensibly manage a small village this way with just a few honest people running it, but it doesn't scale well. You could break the world's population into small groups that function well with communism, but then you have no mechanism for handling inter-village trade (unless you create meta-communes that gradually accumulate the same problems as trying to work with any large system), and without that you wreck the potential for any economy-of-scale or other endeavors that are simply impossible without a large enough critical mass of participants.

EDIT: The fact is that, on some level, a global economy has to run without anybody involved needing to understand anything more than their local part of the system.
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In the days when Sussman was a novice, Minsky once came to him as he sat hacking at the PDP-6.
“What are you doing?”, asked Minsky. “I am training a randomly wired neural net to play Tic-Tac-Toe” Sussman replied. “Why is the net wired randomly?”, asked Minsky. “I do not want it to have any preconceptions of how to play”, Sussman said.
Minsky then shut his eyes. “Why do you close your eyes?”, Sussman asked his teacher.
“So that the room will be empty.”
At that moment, Sussman was enlightened.

Cryxis, Prince of Doom

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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #86335 on: January 04, 2015, 10:59:36 pm »

But don't other government systems have their own flaws that pop up when populations aren't within their ideal scale?
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #86336 on: January 04, 2015, 11:02:17 pm »

Oh, absolutely. Nothing's perfect. Lots of other systems work well at this one particular thing, though.
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In the days when Sussman was a novice, Minsky once came to him as he sat hacking at the PDP-6.
“What are you doing?”, asked Minsky. “I am training a randomly wired neural net to play Tic-Tac-Toe” Sussman replied. “Why is the net wired randomly?”, asked Minsky. “I do not want it to have any preconceptions of how to play”, Sussman said.
Minsky then shut his eyes. “Why do you close your eyes?”, Sussman asked his teacher.
“So that the room will be empty.”
At that moment, Sussman was enlightened.

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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #86337 on: January 04, 2015, 11:04:19 pm »

Now what if we had computers run a communistic system and have honest people keep checks on the systems to make sure it's keeping within reason?
Would that at least make small interconnected trading towns being communistic, feasible?
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #86338 on: January 04, 2015, 11:05:38 pm »

'Power corrupts- Absolute Power Corrupts Absolutely'

The pigs were honest once too.
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #86339 on: January 04, 2015, 11:08:17 pm »

No one person has to be given absolute power, if it were set up as a checks and balance system of different branches no one would have absolute power


And I don't think power always corrupts, there have been good leaders that didn't screw up on a major scale
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