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[MetalSlimeHunt]

Because the buildings are inhabited by the homeless, hard drug addicts, and homeless hard drug addicts.

There also isn't much history to save after years of looting and the elements.

[Devling]

Plus it is not very attractive to have your city surrounded on all sides by a rotting graveyard of shattered buildings.

[Solifuge]

They're bulldozing all those old buildings? Well that's just unnecessary.
I understand moving people to one central area, but destroying all that history? Why?

It's kind of hard to understand modern Detroit without having experienced it (and no, watching Robocop doesn't count :I).

On one street you have a gorgeous theater from the turn of the century, built in Gothic style, with gold filigree and rich carpets. You could go there tonight and catch an Opera. Then you leave, you turn a corner, drive a few blocks, and find yourself in the middle of a ghost town, full of the scorched and hollow remains of houses abandoned 20 years ago, long-since turned into cocaine dens, criminal safehouses, and havens for people trying to stay out of a system they no longer feel they can trust.

Not bulldozing after you relocate all the residents and police forces in an area is just asking for squatters and criminals to step into the vacuum you leave behind.

[SalmonGod]

Don't really understand the logic behind wanting to eliminate spaces just because they're used by squatters (otherwise homeless) and criminals.  It's not like that will eliminate their existence, and they'll have to go somewhere...

[MetalSlimeHunt]

I believe the hope is they'll drift off to Not Detroit.

[Yoink]

BUT THE BUILDINGS

THE BUILDINGS, MAN, THE BUILDINGS

...Maybe I should study architecture.

[Tarran]

Well, I believe my most recent Oblivion game is screwed. It crashes when saving, and saves after loading a save made after a moderately distant save crash. Crash crash crash crash crash...

44 hours of play time down the trash. Hooray...

[Solifuge]

Check the error log .txt file in the folder. Might be a script or actor bug, which you could track down and reset/disable.

[kaijyuu]

I believe the hope is they'll drift off to Not Detroit.

Ah, the ever so comforting Someone Else's Problem.

[Tarran]

Check the error log .txt file in the folder. Might be a script or actor bug, which you could track down and reset/disable.

I can neither recall ever seeing nor can I find any error log made by Oblivion. Are you sure it exists? I can't find anything about it with Google either.

[Frumple]

Checked the appdata folder? If you're on windows, anyway. Iirc, it's either there or the folder in yer my games thing. Probably varies by OS.

[Tarran]

Appdata/Local/Oblivion is just a list of DLCs.

My Games/Oblivion does not contain it either.

[Frumple]

Yeah, don't know. Could have sworn there was one, but it might be been being generated by wyre bash or something, I'unno. Might check here if you haven't already, I guess.

Somewhere else mentioned that window's event viewer may track oblivion crashes. Might check that. Application and server logs, iirc.

[Solifuge]

I know Morrowind had one, but apparently not Oblivion. It's a feature of the Oblivion Mod Manager (obmm_crashdump.txt), though... and there might be a built-in error logging feature you can enable in the INI.

Hope it helps, and good luck!

[Fniff]

Thinking about it, most of Ireland is basically if Detroit was spread really really thin.

We have these things called Ghost Estates from when the economy went bad. They were these houses built out in the country thanks to the lack of space in Dublin. Some of these managed to get completed, while others still have the abandoned tools and rubbish from the builders, while others are simply skeletons of buildings. When the economy fucked itself in half, Ireland was hit really hard because we had been really poor up until what we call the "Celtic Tiger" where we got an influx of money, which spent us on a spiral of drugs and ill-advised plans. The Irish don't really know what it's like being rich. The majority of the projects still being worked on went sour and many of the people working on them fled the country, so the builders left because no-one was paying them. So you have these useless buildings souring the landscape that are completely empty of anyone except crackheads and the occasional wild animal. They are everywhere and I have only seen one near a Tesco get knocked down, which had been there since 2008, I believe. And they occasionally kill kids wandering near, yet they aren't getting knocked down any quicker. Again, this isn't in a cityscape: this is in the middle of idylic countryside.

A poetic way of describing it would be that Detroit was damned by it's own despair, while Ireland was damned by it's own hope. On the optimistic side, it'd make filming a post-apocalyptic film in Ireland really easy.