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[Dsarker]

What I'm saying is that just because you are a pacifist, doesn't mean you're hating on all the people who want to defend their country.

You need to learn how to read statements.

What do you mean? You said that you didn't want to seem to be offensive because you were renewed in your pacifism. I replied that that wouldn't seem to be offensive anyway.

[Grimshot]

 I read about a child being beaten to death over several hours by her own adoptive parents in the progressive rage thread. It made me sick, literally. Its this sort of shit that helped lead to my depression. I honestly wish I could become more detached from the world around me, as bad as that sounds.

[Elfeater]

People arguing over pacifism made me sad

[Angel Of Death]

People arguing over pacifism made me sad

This. Also, the pain in my head has been replaced with a very unpleasant warmth.

[Reelyanoob]

I read about a child being beaten to death over several hours by her own adoptive parents in the progressive rage thread. It made me sick, literally. Its this sort of shit that helped lead to my depression. I honestly wish I could become more detached from the world around me, as bad as that sounds.

There's 7+ billion people in the world and they are having every possible experience right now from the happiest to the saddest. The broadcast media highlights the saddest tales from around the world in realtime. You can be reading nothing but sad tales continuously if you want to.

Part of the problem is we evolved to live in fairly small close knit family groups of maybe 40-200 people, where you knew everyone and could influence things that you knew were going on. This is what our empathy / social wiring is built to cope with. With worldwide mass media and especially the internet you can know about many things which you can do nothing about, leaving you with the knowledge but no power to affect what you've heard about. This could leave you with a feeling of helplessness.

This would be a case where an adaptive trait (high empathy) becomes maladaptive due to a change in the environment (knowledge of all the problems in the world).

[Vector]

Ah, well... I meant because he specifically said things about people saying "But now you don't have to kill dudes, now!"

Apparently I need to learn to read statements.


I walked on the beaches of Normandy and through the fortifications when I was thirteen years old, and trees grow there now.  I've stood before the eternal flame at Arlington and cried by the Vietnam war memorial.  I've marched in peace protests through the streets of San Francisco, hundreds of thousands strong, as we sang the songs my newborn self first heard as lullabies.  I've listened to survivors on one side talk about stealing horses and gallivanting through Europe, and survivors on the other side about lying down in the field, covering themselves with straw, trembling and hoping they wouldn't die, as "our people" shot at them.  I've seen the rations doled out to the besieged in Leningrad.  I've read the condemnations of mathematicians, who would not waste the time to begin a family, but found the time to promulgate a refusal of war.  I was told at five how to dodge the draft, or, at the least, become a medic rather than hurt any man.

And yet, amid all this, I never imagined something quite so horrible.

[Lysabild]

While I can logically understand and agree to pacifism in my head, my heart and my very being tells me that war brings forth both the best and the worst in man. I will never feel right saying war is wrong, as I feel that would invalidate the people who have died fighting.

People can think of me as they wish for saying this.

[Reelyanoob]

As for Just War, at least in the WWII context (the most common cited Just War of modern days) ... the wealthy elite of USA funded the Nazi's and Japanese war machines, even as atrocities were being carried out.

It's the working class of both sides who are asked to sacrifice financially, sacrifice their lives and liberty, while the guys who profited on building up those enemies demand more profits or they won't lift a finger to help in the war.

Japan : Rape of Nanking etc: USA happy to keep funding war in China. peaceful occupation of Vietnam by the Japanese, at the invite of the French Colonials, was written up in the US press as a violent invasion (outright lying). It was only when the Japanese threatened US nationalist supremacy in the pacific that the USA suddenly started to care. Mass Murder in China was OK because we decided that was Japans allowable "Zone of Influence"

[Vector]

We invented gas chambers to use on our own mentally ill, and created the seeds of eugenicism that the Nazis took as their reference point and model.

[Kay12]

As for Just War, at least in the WWII context (the most common cited Just War of modern days) ... the wealthy elite of USA funded the Nazi's and Japanese war machines, even as atrocities were being carried out.

On the other hand, it wasn't completely unreasonable to consider the atrocities to be Allied propaganda back then...

On to other things, I've recently realized that most of my childhood friends have gotten mentally unwell in one way or another. Is that the influence I have on people, or is it something else that'll make me mentally unwell as well?

[Vector]

The Carnegie company funded the beginning of the Holocaust.  Intentionally.  "For the betterment of the human race."

Not just the war machines.  The Holocaust.

On to other things, I've recently realized that most of my childhood friends have gotten mentally unwell in one way or another. Is that the influence I have on people, or is it something else that'll make me mentally unwell as well?

I wouldn't give yourself the credit of driving others insane, and I wouldn't assume it was catching, either.

[Kay12]

On to other things, I've recently realized that most of my childhood friends have gotten mentally unwell in one way or another. Is that the influence I have on people, or is it something else that'll make me mentally unwell as well?

I wouldn't give yourself the credit of driving others insane, and I wouldn't assume it was catching, either.

Funnily enough, the neighborhood we grew up in is a calm, family-friendly area. The concentration I've got around me is... odd.

[Grimshot]

 

I read about a child being beaten to death over several hours by her own adoptive parents in the progressive rage thread. It made me sick, literally. Its this sort of shit that helped lead to my depression. I honestly wish I could become more detached from the world around me, as bad as that sounds.

There's 7+ billion people in the world and they are having every possible experience right now from the happiest to the saddest. The broadcast media highlights the saddest tales from around the world in realtime. You can be reading nothing but sad tales continuously if you want to.

Part of the problem is we evolved to live in fairly small close knit family groups of maybe 40-200 people, where you knew everyone and could influence things that you knew were going on. This is what our empathy / social wiring is built to cope with. With worldwide mass media and especially the internet you can know about many things which you can do nothing about, leaving you with the knowledge but no power to affect what you've heard about. This could leave you with a feeling of helplessness.

This would be a case where an adaptive trait (high empathy) becomes maladaptive due to a change in the environment (knowledge of all the problems in the world).

 Yes, I know, but that doesn't change how I feel unfortunately. I usually manage to distance myself emotionally better but lack of sleep lowers my self control.

 On the subject of war. War is the result of failure. That sums up my opinion on the subject.

[Dsarker]

I just realised something.

God loves me.

God loves me.


I've never felt so worthless before in my life.

[kaijyuu]

I just realised something.

God loves me.

God loves me.


I've never felt so worthless before in my life.

I'm not a religious person but you'll have to explain to me how that could possibly be a bad thing.
If I had that sort of thought, I'd probably be pretty happy about it.