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Nadaka

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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #34110 on: August 01, 2011, 10:51:51 am »

You continue doing well Toon. Like I said much earlier, life is just getting started, and you'll find things become much, much more pleasant when you become independent, and you can control all the details of your life instead of feeling like it's being inflicted on you.

I am about 15 years ahead of Toon and I still feel like life is inflicted on me, but that is mostly because I am terribly depressed and stressed right now. Life does get better, even if it doesn't always stay that way. I don't think I am up to giving advice right now. Do as I say, and not as I do and all that.
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #34111 on: August 01, 2011, 11:34:15 am »

I really can't say if it was his idea, but the first person that I read an explanation from, was Paul Watzlawick.
Basically, you believe that there is something fundamentally wrong with a person, who is able to love you.

Is there any difference between this, and simply believing there is something fundamentally wrong with yourself?

Personally, I have some self-esteem issues (the angry at own spinelessness could qualify, although I don't get angry), and the way I'm dealing with them is seperating them from myself.

It may sound a bit schizophrenic, but I seperate myself into my unconscious will and my conscious will, which are at conflict. My unconscious self imposes a lot of "reflexes" in situations and opinions that are directly opposite of what might be true. For instance, my reflex when posed with a question such as "Am I smart?", "Am I good-looking?", "Do people enjoy spending time with me?" will force a no. But that is not necessarily true. For instance, I know I am not stupid, I have gotten straight A's in college so far. The answer to "Am I smart" is not an unconditional no, but closer to a sound yes. Sometimes I even kid myself that I answer no out of humility, but that is simply fooling myself. I try to answer no because it lies as an instinct, a reflex from a time that should be over now.

I try to deal with this subconscious dragging me down by bettering myself. The more points that I can directly refute it on, the more I can drive it away. I also analyse myself and my past to try and look for clues as to where it came from in the first place. My hope is that I can eventually confront and reform my subconscious into a stronger and more confident core of myself, instead of having to force myself into it.

And, also similar to Vector's thoughts, I will not yield. This is an issue that imposes itself on me now and I don't want it any more. My very biggest enemy is apathy and I will not slip into it (again). Because of this, I can force myself into optimism, and thereby get the job done.
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #34112 on: August 01, 2011, 11:55:26 am »

Made a cheesecake. Doesn't taste good.
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #34113 on: August 01, 2011, 12:12:16 pm »

I really can't say if it was his idea, but the first person that I read an explanation from, was Paul Watzlawick.
Basically, you believe that there is something fundamentally wrong with a person, who is able to love you.
Is there any difference between this, and simply believing there is something fundamentally wrong with yourself?
Well yes, since we were talking about affection.

The whole dillema goes like this:
"I don't respect myself. I can't respect somebody, who respects me. Therefore I can only respect someone, who doesn't respect me."
(The actual word would be "achten", so 'respect' doesn't quite cut it, since it could also be used as 'appreciate' or 'hold in high regard')

Or like Gourcho Marx would say it: "I don't care to belong to a club that accepts people like me as members."

So any person who loves you, is either a masochist or has a morbid fascination for inferiority.

Well, our problems may be similar Miggy, although my reality isn't quite as bright.
And the "Are people enjoying spending time with me?"-question is killing me right now.
« Last Edit: August 01, 2011, 12:19:20 pm by Mindmaker »
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #34114 on: August 01, 2011, 01:37:15 pm »

Remember how Heracles had to cleanse those stables for his twelve tasks? Well that's how I feel now. At least I'm done now :/
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #34115 on: August 01, 2011, 03:21:24 pm »

If it's any help at all, Vector, you are literally my dream. In that I once had a dream about you. I think. There was an animate steak with your voice, and I was arguing with it about something, but then there was a zombie that we had to escape from. But... that is probably actually not any help at all, what with the equivocation and all.

Maybe more relevant, and possibly somewhat more creepy, I like you because of the way you seem to structure your thoughts. It's not so much about your intellect or purity or anything, but you just seem to make sense to me. On the one hand, it's a bit annoying that whatever sense of that I get from your posts is on a level where I can't usually seem to articulate exactly what I think I see there. But on the other, it's unprecedented (for me) to get a sense of empathy with someone like that over plaintext communication. And you are one gorramn interesting person, all that besides.

Some of your frustration feels familiar; I know who I am, and I have some idea of who I want to be, but nearly everyone else seems to have their own ideas about those and none of them really line up with me. For me it's easier to shrug off the who I am stuff, but when other people make suggestions (even genuinely helpful ones) or ask questions or otherwise demonstrate the assumptions they have about what I'm doing with my life or who I'm trying to be, it always jolts me with the question, "Wait, am I doing it wrong? Should I be aiming for something else?" And I think you've come to the same conclusion I have, that it's worth it even if nobody else understands or agrees or just assumes you're crazy for not thinking like they do. But that still doesn't make it hurt any less to feel like your vision of yourself is constantly the subject of attempts to "correct" it.

I might be missing the point here, but even so, your post got me thinking about my own self, and I feel like I want to post that now anyway. If it helps you as well as get some thoughts off my chest, then that'd be ideal, but either way is fine.

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I think I understand a bit of your trouble, too. Maybe. Of my family, I've always been the "good" or "smart" one. Only one who's followed the "standard" life path (good grades in high school, good grades in college), might end up being the first in the family to get a doctorate (though that's largely up in the air, the fact that it's even an option is kind of staggering considering my mother has been single most of my life and is a state employee to boot). Half the time, I feel like this is just some soulless grind that is gonna end with me working on some incredibly boring, pointless thing for virtually no pay while drowning in debt, but college has helped a lot with that. Not completely (the "drowning in debt" part is a pretty recent addition), but it wasn't until my latter two years (when I started taking classes that weren't just stupid prerequisites) that I actually felt like learning was something I wanted to do. And the pressure from my family, even if totally unintended, just isn't really fun. It makes me feel like I don't really have a choice and just have to keep doing this, because they expect it. But, well, that's not the only reason now; I hope you find something to motivate you beyond "Well, I have to".

I can't really speak for the family stuff; about the only problem I have is that I can't talk about politics with my extended family, lest there be arguments forever. That's become less true lately (the family is largely disgusted with a particular party at this point, so the main point of contention is no longer an issue), but it's about the only problem I've got with them besides the pressure one mentioned above. Good luck, though, man.
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #34116 on: August 01, 2011, 03:26:35 pm »

My supervisor tried to fire me today for "throwing books in the gaylord with attitude."
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #34117 on: August 01, 2011, 03:28:50 pm »

My supervisor tried to fire me today for "throwing books in the gaylord with attitude."

If it wasn't so hard to find a new job in this economy, i might have been relieved to be fired considering how you describe your employer.
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #34118 on: August 01, 2011, 03:41:36 pm »

If it's any help at all, Vector, you are literally my dream.
Hey, Vector's already expressed enough problems without you causing her to question her own existence.  I mean, I was devastated to learn I was only a figment of someone's imagination.
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« Reply #34119 on: August 01, 2011, 03:47:58 pm »

My supervisor tried to fire me today for "throwing books in the gaylord with attitude."

If it wasn't so hard to find a new job in this economy, i might have been relieved to be fired considering how you describe your employer.
Trust me. The thought has crossed my mind on many occasions.
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #34120 on: August 01, 2011, 04:06:21 pm »

If it's any help at all, Vector, you are literally my dream.
Hey, Vector's already expressed enough problems without you causing her to question her own existence.  I mean, I was devastated to learn I was only a figment of someone's imagination.
Well, being a figment of my imagination is a troublesome discovery for us all. Including me, because I still haven't worked out how I can hallucinate myself.
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In the days when Sussman was a novice, Minsky once came to him as he sat hacking at the PDP-6.
“What are you doing?”, asked Minsky. “I am training a randomly wired neural net to play Tic-Tac-Toe” Sussman replied. “Why is the net wired randomly?”, asked Minsky. “I do not want it to have any preconceptions of how to play”, Sussman said.
Minsky then shut his eyes. “Why do you close your eyes?”, Sussman asked his teacher.
“So that the room will be empty.”
At that moment, Sussman was enlightened.

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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #34121 on: August 01, 2011, 04:12:29 pm »

You are jumbled amalgamation of mostly-tuned biological sensory machinery, a carbon-based neurological computer and meatbag protective shell - self-aware of it's own existence as a tiny portion of the universe.

Of course you can hallucinate yourself into existence. If you could see, hear, smell, touch, feel, know, understand everything as it is, you would simply be the universe itself, and have no need for silly human antics. ;)

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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #34122 on: August 01, 2011, 10:45:51 pm »

I just learned that ein got muted for 2 weeks.

Although I kinda saw it coming, but welp.
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« Reply #34123 on: August 01, 2011, 10:59:59 pm »

I think I may be having some kind of a breakdown. Was listening to a little melancholy music before bed, lay there in bed thinking, and suddenly out of nowhere, I pictured my own funeral exactly as I want it. Which is odd because:

A. Okay, I've been a little sick but it's not like I've been having morbid thoughts or contemplating my own mortality.
B. Up until this point, I had never actually put much thought into what I wanted for a funeral.

And somehow, it was heartrendingly sad and poignant and wistful and....I dunno, RIGHT. Like the final scene of the final episode of a much-loved show or something.

And so I lay there in the dark, silently weeping at my own funeral. And I rarely, rarely cry. I can probably count on two hands the number of times I've cried in my adult life. I wrote and delivered the eulogy for the man who raised me, for fuck's sake, and my voice barely quivered. And yet, here I am with a tight throat and wiping away moist eyes for no apparent reason.
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #34124 on: August 01, 2011, 11:01:29 pm »

Every time I tell anyone what I want them to do for my funeral, the only response is, "Pff, yeah right. That's not going to happen."  ::)
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