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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #14385 on: October 10, 2010, 12:40:33 pm »

I forgot, is it Androids who are humans given lots of robotic parts while Cyborgs are robots who look like humans, or is it the other way around?

Other way around, I think.
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #14386 on: October 10, 2010, 12:40:52 pm »

If we were to classify mechanical life, it wouldn't have the same taxonomy as humans at all. There would be no Homo or sapiens included in the name at all.
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #14387 on: October 10, 2010, 12:41:37 pm »

Androids are organically grown (not built) robots.

Cyborgs are humans with any robot parts (technically someone with their hand replaced with a claw is a cyborg).

If we were to classify mechanical life, it wouldn't have the same taxonomy as humans at all. There would be no Homo or sapiens included in the name at all.
If we ever made an intelligent robot, I'm pretty sure we would for poetic reasons.
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #14388 on: October 10, 2010, 12:44:00 pm »

Biological taxonomy is science, not poetry. It has to be internally consistent about how names are assigned.
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #14389 on: October 10, 2010, 12:45:06 pm »

Also, poetic scientists.

Hah
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #14390 on: October 10, 2010, 12:46:21 pm »

Biological taxonomy is science, not poetry. It has to be internally consistent about how names are assigned.
It would still be internally consistent...?
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« Reply #14391 on: October 10, 2010, 12:53:57 pm »

No, it wouldn't. Homo is a specific genus, of which H. sapiens are the only survivors. If we made a robot that could think, using either of those terms for its classification would break the system. The only new species that would be under the genus Homo would have to be somthing that evolved from humans.
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #14392 on: October 10, 2010, 12:55:38 pm »

Robots wouldn't appear in any taxonomy, no matter how intelligent.

They would start appearing once we have intelligent robots that can form babby with each other.
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« Reply #14393 on: October 10, 2010, 12:57:04 pm »

Or once they demand to be in taxonomy at gunpoint.
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #14394 on: October 10, 2010, 01:00:21 pm »

No, it wouldn't. Homo is a specific genus, of which H. sapiens are the only survivors. If we made a robot that could think, using either of those terms for its classification would break the system. The only new species that would be under the genus Homo would have to be somthing that evolved from humans.
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #14395 on: October 10, 2010, 01:08:30 pm »

No, it wouldn't. Homo is a specific genus, of which H. sapiens are the only survivors. If we made a robot that could think, using either of those terms for its classification would break the system. The only new species that would be under the genus Homo would have to be somthing that evolved from humans.
Actually... you could rule that because robots are creations of humans, they fall under the genus homo. It wouldn't really break the system because there is no precedent for one species creating another though any method but evolution.
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« Reply #14396 on: October 10, 2010, 01:13:05 pm »

Sisters birthday.

Just told this now.

DnD game canceled.

FOR THE SECOND TIME IN A ROW.
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« Reply #14397 on: October 10, 2010, 01:16:40 pm »

I hate it when my D&D is cancelled. Wednesday night is D&D night, "no I ain't going to the doctor.. what? no, I'm not going to this party either, wait? icecream? yes, of course I'll be there". *Cancels D&D*
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« Reply #14398 on: October 10, 2010, 01:17:19 pm »

Actually... you could rule that because robots are creations of humans, they fall under the genus homo. It wouldn't really break the system because there is no precedent for one species creating another though any method but evolution.

Taxonomy for AI really doesn't apply to AI, since it's used to classify organisms which are genetically similar enough to breed successfully. It makes about as much sense as assigning a car or a computer a Taxonomic identity.

If you're arguing that anything sentient, mechanical or no, deserves a classification on par with lifeforms, you're looking at a sort of Cultural Evolution... an "organism" produced by industry and culture. I don't know how science would handle that, but I bet we'll be getting a taste of it soon, as we progress down the tracks of engineering Artificial Organisms from scratch.
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #14399 on: October 10, 2010, 02:14:58 pm »

I had horrible nightmares about suffocation last night, which I'd attribute to being sick and waking up several times almost choking on my own mucus. More terror than sad, but you get the idea.
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