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[Naturegirl1999]

What if choice is an illusion?
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[Reelya]

That's also a fallacious argument. The proximate causes of the two things are completely different. "ultimate lack of free will" isn't a good counter-argument.

Ants do those actions because they are programmed to do those specific actions through DNA.

[Naturegirl1999]

When humans started agriculture, they didn’t know about breeding plants and natural selection, however, plants still became domesticated.

[Reelya]

Completely irrelevant point. Vapid.

The important point is that ants are following pre-programmed instructions they're born with. Humans do not. All instructions about how to do farming are accumulated knowledge that's not genetic. Humans watch other humans do things, and not only are they able to pick up the behavior, they're able to individually say "I could do that better". And they do it better than what they observed more often than not.

The important difference is that how to farm spreads as ideas not as genes. Humans can decide to try farming something else, or to stop farming and do something else. None of that applies to ants. The comparison of human agriculture to ants cultivating aphids as saying "humans aren't any different" is just a bad argument. In fact, the very fact that ants mindlessly nursing some aphids is the go-to example merely serves to prove exactly how different humans are.

Humans can individually come up with completely new ways to manipulate their environment. The fact that some animals are pre-programmed to do some of the same manipulations in fact hammers home how different we are. We're like general programmable computers vs pre-programmed calculators. Sure, the general programmable computer can be programmed to do the same thing the calculator does, but that doesn't mean than they're the same. The fact that the programmable computer can be instantly rewired to do any task and the standard calculator cannot is the difference.

[Yoink]

What if we are not the only animals who think they are superior to other animals because of the ability to think they are?

Have you ever met a cat? Like, a house cat, a noble descendent of the feline demigods worshipped by our ancient ancestors?
Yeah, they think they're the shit.

[Naturegirl1999]

we messed up big time. Even if carbon emissions dropped to 0 the carbon dioxide we have already released will be there for hundreds of years, and we are currently increasing emissions, making it so thst the problem will last even longer

[Lord Shonus]

You might want to look into the works of actual climate scientists instead of attention-grabbing misogynistic materials scientists. That guy's about as reputable a source as Alex Jones. The situation isn't good, but it isn't anywhere near as bad as some people (who make quite a bit of money from stirring up hysteria) are trying to make it out to be.

[Naturegirl1999]

Thank you

[MrRoboto75]

That guy's about as reputable a source as Alex Jones.

I hate them putting chemicals in the air that turn the friggin' climate gay.

[wierd]

You mean water vapor?

I mean-- Freaking RAINBOWS.  Prideful ones-- and even, DOUBLE ones!

Shameless!  Weather and climate should be boring and duotone only!

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In all seriousness though:

The optimism is probably naive though Shonus.  All tracks that lead to "We don't kill the fucking biosphere by the end of this century" require very radical changes in emissions and energy generation technologies, which are counter to the financial interests of incumbent industries, or counter to domestic economic policies (and thus political suicide.)

Given the extreme amount of foot-dragging going on there, with outright lies about compliance, and intractable super-emmissions from more than just one industry concerning this topic, the reality is still pretty damn grim.  Not for the reasons cited by the dubious researcher, but because humans just fucking suck at long term planning -vs- immediate wish fulfillment.

[dragdeler]

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[Iduno]

Given the extreme amount of foot-dragging going on there, with outright lies about compliance, and intractable super-emmissions from more than just one industry concerning this topic, the reality is still pretty damn grim.  Not for the reasons cited by the dubious researcher, but because humans just fucking suck at long term planning -vs- immediate wish fulfillment.

My favorite response to those is a picture with text to the effect of "what's more likely: a bunch of hippies have the money and political power to create fake science showing global warming is real, or a bunch of billionaires and politicians have the money and political power to create fake science showing global warming is fake?"

[Hanslanda]

I said I wasn't upset but I'm upset.

[Doomblade187]

Given the extreme amount of foot-dragging going on there, with outright lies about compliance, and intractable super-emmissions from more than just one industry concerning this topic, the reality is still pretty damn grim.  Not for the reasons cited by the dubious researcher, but because humans just fucking suck at long term planning -vs- immediate wish fulfillment.

My favorite response to those is a picture with text to the effect of "what's more likely: a bunch of hippies have the money and political power to create fake science showing global warming is real, or a bunch of billionaires and politicians have the money and political power to create fake science showing global warming is fake?"

/s But don't you know that the left is pushing global warming, so obviously it's fake because the left likes it and they're socialists? /s

I said I wasn't upset but I'm upset.

It's okay to be upset.

[Iduno]

Family shit (yay holidays!), chronic pain, and being too depressed to clean up my apartment sooner. Combined with food poisoning or something (do I look like the kind of person who can just go see a doctor for a flimsy excuse like "sick" or "what did the biopsy say"?) so I was "a bit" sick yesterday.