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[Armok]

I am also concerned abaut these kinds of arguments, but I think banning and rules is the wrong way to go, instead just keep locking the threads or somethingelse reversible, and give many warnings before muting temporarily.

[zchris13]

I think I should be allowed to mention Country names and the names of religions all I want without fear of repercussions.

It is what those names are used for, that makes the difference.  And the rules cover this well enough already.

AGAINST.

[Gunner-Chan]

What we need though is for Toady to come out and say that the Bigotry towards nations and religion is unacceptable. That seems to be the only way to hopefully stop this.

[Gorjo MacGrymm]

Freedom of Speech - yeah!

heavy handed cencorship of threads you aren't even forced to read- booooo

[Knirisk]

To be honest, I agree with Armok, Sofia, Ioric, Duke, and anyone else who wants to maintain an "atmosphere of chill."

But also, to be honest, I kinda find both American and British generalizations funny. It's just when people start being seriously derogatory(e.g. Zombie0Hour) that it really goes downhill. Honestly, so long as these "generalizations" are kept light and in good jest, I'm down with them, even if they're used to make fun of me.

But from now on, I'm staying the hell away from posting in threads like those. I almost posted in the Rant thread, but then I imagined all the possible responses I could have gotten. Nothing I could have said, in my opinion, could have contributed positively that wasn't already said.

I trust Toady One to do what's right, though. It's sad to see that he should have to see this when he could be working on DF, though.

[de5me7]

if somebody writes something that offends you imo personaly message them explaining why you felt they crossed the line.

i have a bad habit of typing before i think. given a fair reason id appologise for any offence i caused.

if you pm someone and they ignore you or respond aggresivly message toady and he can decide if they should be banned.

i dont think banning people from using names when talking about the world around them is a good solution, because effectivly this will stop debate. And i personally believe debate is a good thing.

there have been a few slightly heated debates here, but i dont think that many, and its all alot cooler than the average news paper columist (in any british paper opinion columns are 90% aggresivly opinionated crap 10% fact if that).

[Ioric Kittencuddler]

Which is why I get all my news from the Daily Show.  Because if reporting is going to be a joke, it might as well be up front about it.

[Duke 2.0]

Which is why I get all my news from the Daily Show.  Because if reporting is going to be a joke, it might as well be up front about it.

I suspect you are a subscriber to The Onion as well?

[Leafsnail]

We have the Private Eye over here for that.  It's pretty even handed in that it bashes everyone equally.

[Tack]

Besides, Having people "rag out" your race is fun, if you can find a suitable comeback. It's when a person succombs to "raeg" that everyone loses their "chill". In the interests of "chill", there can be no more "raeg" on these forums. "raeg" is the problem, not religion. Like the Quaker Duke 2.0 says: "We just need to respect eachother"

[Gunner-Chan]

If I seem to be making anyone think we need mass bannings or just a no political or religious disscussion rule than that's not what I'm saying here. The problem here is that there's a small group of posters here that has, without fail bandwagoned into topics about these subjects and started to throw insults and crap around. Even something as harmless as the kettle topic devolved.

[Duke 2.0]

 Like in the old days with the yuri-esque threads?

 I like to think that posters who derail such threads(Religion, political) simply have something that pisses them off and unknowingly offend people when they don't take enough care with their posts. However, I thought a similar thing about the Yuri-esque people. It was only after bannings and crap happened that they learned that Toady does not want that stuff here. So I'm at a loss to suggestions on how to improve this other than Be Chill.

[Gunner-Chan]

In that case we might need the sledge hammer treatment again...

[Leafsnail]

Looking back through the VN threads, the -esque may not be necessary.

[Duke 2.0]

 And again, only when it gets out of control. So far the most recent religion topic has been rather chill. If it remains like that we may be over thinking this a bit.