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[CJ1145]

So I really am enjoying the campaign, but I feel the question is begging to be asked: Will we ever see any semblance to mundane civilization?

[userpay]

Hmm this is odd, I'm looking at an example from the arms and equipment

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For example, a fighter with a base attack of
+6/+1 and the Ambidexterity, Two-Weapon Fighting,
and Improved Two-Weapon Fighting feats wielding
an axe of pairs in the off-hand would get five attacks.
The two attacks with the primary weapon would be at
+4/–1, and the attacks with the axe of pairs in the off
hand would be at +4/–1/–6.

that, ignoring the extra attack bit which is from the item its talking about, shows that using ambidexterity and two weapon fighting the penalty for both main and off hand is -2. This is odd indeed.
edit: Ah I think I might have a solution to this, I found a homebrew version of ambidexterity that makes sense

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Ambidexterity [General, Fighter]
Empty strings are not accepted.
Prerequisite: Two-Weapon Fighting, Strength 13
Benefit: The penalty for two-weapon fighting is reduced by 1 for each hand. In addition, you may apply your full strength modifier to damage rolls made with your off-hand.
Special: A fighter may select this feat as one of his fighter bonus feats.

[RAM]

In DnD 3 Duel wielding incurred a -6 bonus to attacks and added an extra attack at -10.

The two weapon fighting feat reduced these penalties by two.
The Ambidexterity feat reduced the penalty to the extra attack(s) by 4.
Wielding a light or smaller weapon in your off-hand reduced the penalties by 2.
Combined it was possible to gain extra attacks by incurring a -2 penalty to hit on all attacks, which is fairly standard.

In DnD 3.5 the Two-weapon fighting feat:

Spoiler: From the SRD (click to show/hide)

Two-Weapon Fighting [General]

You can fight with a weapon in each hand. You can make one extra attack each round with the second weapon.
Prerequisite

Dex 15.
Benefit

Your penalties on attack rolls for fighting with two weapons are reduced. The penalty for your primary hand lessens by 2 and the one for your off hand lessens by 6. See the Two-Weapon Fighting special attack.
Normal

If you wield a second weapon in your off hand, you can get one extra attack per round with that weapon. When fighting in this way you suffer a -6 penalty with your regular attack or attacks with your primary hand and a -10 penalty to the attack with your off hand. If your off-hand weapon is light the penalties are reduced by 2 each. (An unarmed strike is always considered light.)
Special

A 2nd-level ranger who has chosen the two-weapon combat style is treated as having Two-Weapon Fighting, even if he does not have the prerequisite for it, but only when he is wearing light or no armor.

A fighter may select Two-Weapon Fighting as one of his fighter bonus feats.

The penalty for your primary hand lessens by 2 and the one for your off hand lessens by 6
:Combines the old TWF and Ambidexterity feats.

I am not even sure that the SRD is an acceptable source for this game, I mean, it is pretty much identical and makes a great reference, but is there such a thing as mage's disjunction in this world?

Homebrew is a bit questionable, but I expect that if Neruz is happy with it then you can have it, but I would ask first for each feat...

[userpay]

Well I posted the homebrew so that it could be looked at, assuming that with ambidexterity the light off hand weapon would get a +2 bonus that I agree is rather odd and the homebrew I posted basiclly decreases the penatly for both hands by -1 there by making the total penalty to both hands -1 and allows me to apply the stat bonus to the off hand as well makes sense since it'll be ambidexterious.

[tehstefan]

Well, I'm just deciding I'll never say what days I can and can't do it anymore. My schedule is more chaotic than a bag full of badgers. Bleh.

[Neruz]

So I really am enjoying the campaign, but I feel the question is begging to be asked: Will we ever see any semblance to mundane civilization?

The possibility exists. You won't find any 'mundane' civs in the ruins of an ancient Wizard City (Wizards powerful enough to challenge a God, and put up a damn good fight too i might add), but the City isn't the whole campaign, and there are less magicey civs out there if you ever manage to finish the first act.

I am not even sure that the SRD is an acceptable source for this game, I mean, it is pretty much identical and makes a great reference, but is there such a thing as mage's disjunction in this world?

Probably; i'm sure a Mage somewhere worked out a spell that dismantles other spells and magical effects.


As for the Ambidexterity feat, i'm not too swell on the idea as it's not actually adding anything to the game; it's just making two-weapon fighting flat out more powerful. I enjoy homebrew and new ideas (hell, this entire game is composed of me making shit up almost as fast as you guys find it), but i prefer new things to add new things, so to speak, rather than just pointing at an aspect of the game that already exists and saying "That's stronger now." Which is kind of what that feat does.



If you're looking for more fightey style feats, i highly reccomend the Tome of Battle, which does a surprisingly effective job of making the martial classes almost on par with the magical ones.

[userpay]

And just about all the feats in that book are specifically for the classes in there but now I'm tempted to make a swordmage. Since I wouldn't be playing till saturday anyway I've got time to work on this.

[Neruz]

Complete Warrior and Sword and Fist are some other good ones; Sword and Fist for example containing the incredibly amusing Monkey Grip feat.

[userpay]

Complete Warrior and Sword and Fist are some other good ones; Sword and Fist for example containing the incredibly amusing Monkey Grip feat.

Ah good point, monkey grip could indeed be a fun one to go with. I can also combine that with tome of battle classes as well.

[Shoruke]

I really want to find a way out of this damn tower-world, and find a city.
With people.
Living people.
And a reasonable-level wizard in residence who will let me copy stuff out of his book.
And maybe a church, just in case.
AND SHOPS! I need more alchemist fire, I only bought one vial!

But first... I must get back to the adventuring HQ. Everyone help me make a cipher for navigating this goddamn tower.

[NRN_R_Sumo1]

I really want to find a way out of this damn tower-world, and find a city.
With people.
Living people.
And a reasonable-level wizard in residence who will let me copy stuff out of his book.
And maybe a church, just in case.
AND SHOPS! I need more alchemist fire, I only bought one vial!

But first... I must get back to the adventuring HQ. Everyone help me make a cipher for navigating this goddamn tower.

Only one bottle, Hah! College rookies..

[userpay]

Ah ha! Found what I was looking for, oversized two weapon fighting. And now I do believe my app is complete, heres to seeing ye on Saturday hopefully.

[RAM]

7-hour reminder or something.

[tehstefan]

Someone's ancy. I might be able to get on in about three and a half hours, today! 8D

[CJ1145]

And the best part is, I won't be there for the first... 4 hours!

Yeah, my mother forgot to mention to me that I'm going back to guitar practice starting today (Considering I'm the one going, you'd think that would be something I should know)

And on top of that, I have to go out to eat. So yeah, I should be on after I serve the jail sentence for matricide.