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[userpay]

Hmm well then, tommarrow I'll look at the distribution of classes we have then make a character according to that.

[RAM]

The thing is that with multiple attacks from BAB and haste gone, sacrificing your full attack for a charge is no longer a big deal...

And the octopus thing is mostly for druids...

[tehstefan]

lol. Well, just think physical. Though while the feats are interesting, I still think it makes magic impossible. Though I could see the want of them, what with no way to revive people now.

[Heron TSG]

Well, magic isn't impossible if we do it in groups.

[Shoruke]

Here's me taking another crack at homebrewing. Submitted for DM's approval...

Spoiler: new skill tricks (click to show/hide)

Ledge Scramble
Prerequisites: Climb 8 ranks, Jump 5 ranks
Benefit: You can climb a ledge within your arm's reach as a swift action (vertical reach tables are found in the Climb skill)

Goomba springboard
Prerequisites: Jump 12 ranks, Tumble 12 ranks
Benefit: By succeeding a DC 25 tumble check (DC 35 if moving at full speed) to tumble through an opponent's square, you are able to make a jump check off their head as part of your move action, dealing 1d4 damage. You do not generate attacks of opportunity until you land.
If you continue moving after your jump, you must succeed another tumble check to tumble around enemies, adding +4 to the DC for the target of this trick, +2 for every other enemy you try to tumble past (including those you tumbled past before the jump).

Flip Toss
Prerequisites: Tumble 12 ranks, Balance 5 ranks, BAB +5
Benefit: When tumbling through an opponent's square, you may make an unarmed touch attack against the opponent to determine if this trick 'hits'. If you succeed, make a tumble check opposed by the target's balance check (which receives a +4 bonus to the check for every size category it is larger than you), and if you win, the target is knocked prone. If you lose, you must immediately pass a DC 25 balance to keep moving. If your balance check fails by 5 or more (you get less than 20), you fall prone yourself.
This trick consumes a standard action, but can be used at any point during a move action. This trick does not deal any damage.

Braced launch
Prerequisites: Jump 8 ranks, Balance 5 ranks, Tumble 5 ranks
Benefit: If you start a move action adjacent to a wall, and your first square of movement is at least 45 degrees away from the wall, increase your land speed by 10' for that move action.

[RAM]

If I make my archer I might try to squeeze some sorcerer levels into them...

[Neruz]

The thing is that with multiple attacks from BAB and haste gone, sacrificing your full attack for a charge is no longer a big deal...

Good; it shouldn't be.

Haste and Hastelike effects will still grant you extra attacks, you just don't get the iterative attacks at bonuses or penalties.

lol. Well, just think physical. Though while the feats are interesting, I still think it makes magic impossible. Though I could see the want of them, what with no way to revive people now.

That's why the Death Flag is in the game.



Also, Moar:

Everything has Weak Points
Whether you are plant or golem, construct or undead, you have weak points. They might be different weak points from other creatures, but they're still there.
As such, Sneak Attack and Critical Hits are no longer resisted by entire types of creatures. Certain specific creatures may have Critical Hit\Sneak Attack immunity, but you don't gain immunity by virtue of just being a Zombie.

[Heron TSG]

I figure that my weak points are my joints.

Anyhow, this character will be (hopefully) more balanced than Sinistar, yet still good enough to play as.

[Neruz]

I'll be taking a more liberal approach to monster design this time around; with high level magic eliminated from combat i won't need to worry so much about countering it, which will make monsters much quicker to design. With the changes i've made to the system CR is now completely and utterly useless (even less so than before!) so i'll be making monsters up anyway.

[RAM]

Needs some work to convert it into this campaign, maybe I should have used the 4e generator... The character is pretty ineffective, but hopefully it will be good for a little extra damage and maybe a spot of healing now and again...

Can I have a suit of armour from my character background? I haven't worked it all out but my gear costs must be close to 100gp...

Spoiler: character (click to show/hide)

Elvira

Female Human Paladin 1
Lawful Good
Representing RAM

Strength    13   (+1)
Dexterity    13   (+1)
Constitution    10   (+0)
Intelligence    16   (+3)
Wisdom    8   (-1)
Charisma    14   (+2)
   
Size:    Medium
Height:    4' 9"
Weight:    140 lb
Skin:    Pale
Eyes:    Blue
Hair:    Black; Straight

Total Hit Points: 9 19

Speed: 40 feet [quick]

Armor Class: 11 = 10 +1 [dexterity] (10 with heavy armour)

      Touch AC: 11
      Flat-footed: 10

Initiative modifier:   +1   = +1 [dexterity]
Fortitude save:   +3 2   = 2 [base] +1 [strength]
Reflex save:   +3 1   = 0 [base] +3 1 [intelligence dexterity]
Will save:   +2 -1   = 0 [base] +2 [charisma] -1 [wisdom]
Attack (handheld):   +2   = 1 [base] +3 [intelligence] +1 [strength] -2 [noncombatant]
Attack (unarmed):   +2   = 1 [base] +3 [intelligence] +1 [strength] -2 [noncombatant]
Attack (missile):   +4   = 1 [base] +3 [intelligence] +1 [dexterity]
Grapple check:   -2   = 1 [base] +1 [strength] -4 [noncombatant]

Light load:
Medium load:
Heavy load:
Lift over head:
Lift off ground:
Push or drag:
   50 lb. or less
51-100 lb.
101-150 lb.
150 lb.
300 lb.
750 lb.

Languages:   Celestial Common Draconic Undercommon

Spiked Gauntlet [1d4, crit x2, 1 lb, light, piercing]

Shortbow [1d6, crit x3, range inc. 60 ft., 2 lb., piercing]

Feats:

      Point Blank Shot   
      Rapid Shot   
      Feeble   [flaw]
      Noncombatant   [flaw]
      Intelligent Combat   [use int to hit]
      Tactical Strike   [use int to damage]

Traits:

      Polite
      Quick

Skill Name
   
Key
Ability
   
Skill
Modifier
   
Ability
Modifier
   
Ranks
   
Misc.
Modifier
Appraise    Int    3 =    +3      
Balance    Dex*    -1 =    +1      -2 [feeble]
Bluff    Cha    2 =    +2      
Climb    Str*    -1 =    +1      -2 [feeble]
Concentration    Con    2 =    +0   +4    -2 [feeble]
Craft_1    Int    3 =    +3      
Craft_2    Int    3 =    +3      
Craft_3    Int    3 =    +3      
Diplomacy    Cha    7 =    +2   +4    +1 [polite]
Disguise    Cha    2 =    +2      
Escape Artist    Dex*    -1 =    +1      -2 [feeble]
Forgery    Int    3 =    +3      
Gather Information    Cha    2 =    +2      
Heal    Wis    -1 =    -1      
Hide    Dex*    -1 =    +1      -2 [feeble]
Intimidate    Cha    0 =    +2      -2 [polite]
Jump    Str*    3 =    +1      -2 [feeble] +4 [speed 40]
Knowledge (arcana)    Int    5 =    +3   +2    
Knowledge (religion)    Int    7 =    +3   +4    
Listen    Wis    1 =    -1   +2    
Move Silently    Dex*    -1 =    +1      -2 [feeble]
Perform_1    Cha    2 =    +2      
Perform_2    Cha    2 =    +2      
Perform_3    Cha    2 =    +2      
Perform_4    Cha    2 =    +2      
Perform_5    Cha    2 =    +2      
Ride    Dex    -1 =    +1      -2 [feeble]
Search    Int    3 =    +3      
Sense Motive    Wis    3 =    -1   +4    
Spot    Wis    -1 =    -1      
Survival    Wis    -1 =    -1      
Swim    Str**    -1 =    +1      -2 [feeble]
Use Rope    Dex    -1 =    +1      -2 [feeble]

* = check penalty for wearing armor

Your wisdom is too low to use paladin magic.

Human:

    * Extra feat at first level (already included)
    * Four extra skill points at first level (already included)
    * One extra skill point at each additional level (already included)

Paladin:

    * Aura of Good

    * Detect Evil

    * Smite Evil (1x/day; add +2 to melee attack roll, paladin levels to damage)

    * Divine Grace (level 2)

    * Lay on Hands (level 2)

    * Aura of Courage (level 3)

    * Divine Health (level 3)

    * Turn Undead (level 4)

    * Special Mount (level 5)

    * Remove Disease (level 6)

    * Code of Conduct / Association

   Class    HP rolled    
Level 1:    Paladin    9    

   
Elvira's Equipment:

      3 lb
      30 lb
      2 lb
      5 lb
      1 lb

      4 lb
      3 lb
      4 lb
      4 lb
      20 lb
      16 lb
      1 lb
      2 lb
      _____
      95 lb   Weapons / Armor / Shield (from above)
      Arrows (quiver of 20) x10
      Backpack
      Bedroll
      Case (for map or scroll)
      Flint and steel
      Grappling hook
      Lantern (bullseye)
      Oil flasks x4
      Rations (1 day) x4
      Rope (50', silk) x4
      Waterskins x4
      Holy symbol (silver)
      Spell component pouch

      Total

      Also...

            Mule, pack saddle

More about Elvira:

      Always there were two, a master and an apprentice, it had been this way for as long as anyone knew. But her master had been too old, and died too young. She had no choice...

 The monastery had been Elvira's home for as long as she could remember. The training had been wearing, but she would always be free to retire to the library when a session was over, and she couldn't have been happier there. But as time drew on her master grew weaker, and when they finally perished she had no choice but to follow their wishes, "to go out into the world and master their arts". She performed the ceremony for her master, donned the ceremonial , took one last look at the sacred arrow above the gate, and set off to find her destiny.

[Shoruke]

Did ya take a look at those skill tricks, Neruz?

Also, tomorrow should be the last game that I will be late for, apparently physics labs are pretty much done as of 33 hours from now.

EDIT: holy shit, it really will be the last one I'm late for. All of my finals conveniently avoid Fridays and Sundays. Although, I may be distracted on the Apr. 23 game, due to studying for Poly Sci and Comp Sci.

[Rooster]

There was still one thing not considered, but certain to happen in a world with low magic.
Technology.
Because it's easier than magic, and any high technology is about the same as magic so I propose:

Skill:
Mechanic (Int)
Trained only.
Class skill for rogues, bards, wizards, sorcerers, and gnaomes can treat it as such.

Make a check every day to convert specific parts into a mechanism contraption, you can't craft things that require more skill ranks than you have. Each item needs a different amount of time, so make a check every day. If a check is failed even once, all components and money are lost.

Specific parts:
Energy holder cell 2000gp
Long metal rod 5gp
Gears 350 gp
Spring 50gp
Glass container 500gp
Iron ball 1sp
Little hammer 3sp
Explosive powder (Barrel) 10 000gp

Things you can make:
Rifle (Long metal rod + gears + little hammer)
Mechanics DC 30
Work time 10 days.

Rifle ammunition (40) (Iron balls (40) + Explosive powder (pouch))
Mechanics DC 20
Work time 2 hours
A failed check deals 1d12 fire damage.

How do you like that? Expand on the idea?
While it's magic-like (the possibility for a light bulb, or a tazer are there)
It's very weaker and costly. A warrior would still kill someone relying on mechanics. I would like to see mad gnome mechanics. Please?

[CJ1145]

So I went with a a Paladin, and I'd like to give up spellcasting for something else. However I have no idea what.

[Shoruke]

The CrystalKeep page on base classes has some variants... here.

(also still waiting for approval/rejection of my homebrews, but I suppose it is like 4AM for the DM right now...)

[Akigagak]

So I went with a a Paladin, and I'd like to give up spellcasting for something else. However I have no idea what.

This variant paladin gains all the normal class features of the paladin, with the following changes and additions:
Spells:The paladin does not gain the ability to cast divine spells.
Blessed Weapon (Su): Any melee weapon wielded by a paladin of 6th level or higher is treated as good-aligned for the purpose of overcoming damage reduction.
Divine Might (Su): At 11th level and higher, the paladin can use a standard action to add a +4 bonus to his/her Strength, Wisdom or Charisma score. This ability may be used only once per day, and it's effects lasts for 1 minute per class level.
Tend to mount (Su): A paladin of 13th level or higher who uses his/her lay on hands ability to heal his/her mount creature cures 5 points of damage per point of healing spent. In addition, the paladin may use his/her lay on hands ability to end any one of the following adverse conditions affecting her mount, at the cost of 5 points of healing per condition unless otherwise noted: Ability damage (costs 1 point per ability point restored) blinded, confused, dazzled, deafened, diseased, exhausted, fatigued, feebleminded, insanity, nauseated, sickened, stunned, or poisoned.
The Paladin can remove advers conditions at the same time he/she heals damage, but any points of healing spent to end advers conditions don't also cure hit point damage.

They get a spell-like ability at level 16, but such things don't exist in this world, so that's detect evil, special mount, and remove disease gorn as well. And gods don't provide power anymore, so I don't know what Neruz will do to lay on hands and the other paladin bonuses.

This basically makes them fighters without the extra feats.