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[Neonivek]

Goodness...

Anyhow as for "Satotage" I think some of you are thinking too dirrectly as in "Against fortress"

Raiding towns, destroying Dwarf Merchants (There is a reason why Nations or mercinaries often created elite military units to protect merchants such as the Knight Templar), Tainting food supplies (Poison a river), burning down the forests around the Dwarves?

Elves could convince the animals to stay away from the fortress and introduce deadly creatures to the land, They could send Skirmishers to harass armies and citizens.

[jseah]

When aboveground diversity gets added in, I can just see the elves waging a biological war on your fort. 

Putting bloodvine spores into the river (or invading with bloodvine seed bags that must be burnt within a time period or they sprout)
Come to your area and torch it (better the trees die a quick death than be tortured at your hands)
Mess with the groundwater (digging an aquifer drain upstream) to make the land infertile...

Many many nasty things they can do. 

[orbcontrolled]

The extent of a civs actions against you should also be influenced by their relations with yours and other civs.

If they are in a losing war with someone else, they might look the other way at your offenses, just because they need your trade (unless you are in the habit of seizing goods, then they just stop trading so as not to lose resources to you).
Their response to unethical behavior then rises according to how willing/able they are to fight you. If they just won some major victories with few casualties, they might still be spoiling for war and just looking for an excuse.
If their civ outmatches yours by enough, they might not even bother waiting for an offense, they would just arrive with an army, declare themselves to be in charge, and start demanding tribute and such (probably more likely for humans/dwarves than elves)
(Also, another civ seizing your fort and putting itself in charge *while you play* could be a whole topic in itself)

[Maggarg - Eater of chicke]

5) Bribing Nobles To Make Mandates That Will Enforce a Civilization's Ethics (The Baron says, "NO CUTTING DOWN TREES!")

Anything else that could be done?

That would result in cutting down the baron.

[Zonk]

3) Sabatoging the Fortress (for example, elves can cast spells on Trees to let the Trees Be Able To Defend Themselves)

I think that was actually implemented in the game a LONG time ago, but was then removed. It might be reimplemented in some form when Toady works on magic...

[Funk]

maybe haveing the elves demaned that the wood cuters be hand over to them?
or that you pay x woth of free stuff to them, set items i.e.X metal weapons , or even a artifact.
if you say no then thay send men to try and take the goods by force of arms.

[Craftling]

Another form of blockading a fort would be for the elves to tell all the living creatures in the land surrounding it "Move away from this place, it is dangerous for you and your children". This would cause the animals to stay away from your fort, for the plant to stop growing and for the trees to wither away and die.

[Atarlost]

Trees can't move, nor can they choose where they drop their seeds. 

Animals leaving the area doesn't seem to have a downside. 

[darkflagrance]

It's really more like the elves sow your fields with salt.

Forget the trees, even things like rope reed and sunberries won't grow. Vermin fish also might no longer swim in the rivers (screw over shell moods).

[Dwarf]

Do we honestly need WAR Every Time Somebody Does Something Unethical?

How the hell is cutting down trees and molesting elves unethical?

[LeoLeonardoIII]

You're ignoring that the Elves and Humans simply desire war. You cutting down trees isn't a cause. It's an excuse.

I suspect Elves don't really care about trees. They just randomly invent restrictive ethical concepts so they can eat other cultures with Sunshine sauce.

Also, certain tribes today can't be around other tribes in the same region, because they fight constantly. Real or imagined slights, prior murders requiring present vengeance, etc. A never-ending cycle. They simply don't interact except for rare trading, fighting, and exchange of brides.

There is no reason to trust people from another tribe or family. Especially since they occasionally do screw you over. The reasons for this isolation suggest that pre-civilization tribal humans may have acted the same way.

Not to say that dwarves and elves are uncivilized. But a certain murderous xenophobia seems appropriate at least for the elves. That, and they don't build anything and just stand around in the forest sharing needles all day.

[SeanTucker]

Peaceful protests would be hilarious.

A ton of hippies gathering around your fort and blocking it? Welp, guess it's time to send in the 10 legendary axedwarves and see which one can slaughter the most elves.

[uttaku]

Right I've had it with this thread. I have a masters in Medivial History from York University so listen up.

1.) Peaceful Protests- these did occur, however they were very rare, far more likely is that it would dissolve into a angry mob, either because of oration from the mob leaders or the fact that European kings method's for dealing with protests was to use force.

2.) Diplomatic sanctions however were far more common, nearly always in the form of trade embryos.

3.)Sabatoge - very viable, assainantions, stirring up rebellions, backing pretenders, full blown lets poison the well or destroy the building was generally only used in a seige.

4.) Not in the modern sense, their would be no leaflet drops to make them turn on their rulers. Missionaires would be the only viable method of this, although tradionally this lacked effectiveness as these missionaires would be very harshly treated, Elizabth I executed Jesuits and Seminary Priests for treason.

5.) Very comman.

[Dvergar]

Right I've had it with this thread. I have a masters in Medivial History from York University so listen up.

5.) Very comman.

I would demand a refund from York  , unless you meant Communication Manager System for Data Exchange for Ship Operations

[darkflagrance]

Right I've had it with this thread. I have a masters in Medivial History from York University so listen up.

1.) Peaceful Protests- these did occur, however they were very rare, far more likely is that it would dissolve into a angry mob, either because of oration from the mob leaders or the fact that European kings method's for dealing with protests was to use force.

2.) Diplomatic sanctions however were far more common, nearly always in the form of trade embryos.

3.)Sabatoge - very viable, assainantions, stirring up rebellions, backing pretenders, full blown lets poison the well or destroy the building was generally only used in a seige.

4.) Not in the modern sense, their would be no leaflet drops to make them turn on their rulers. Missionaires would be the only viable method of this, although tradionally this lacked effectiveness as these missionaires would be very harshly treated, Elizabth I executed Jesuits and Seminary Priests for treason.

5.) Very comman.

It seems to me that the "peaceful protests" referred to in the first post that mentioned them are the diplomat requesting that the offending party cease, as opposed to a crowd gathering outside to demand something. Besides, given the case of two different nations widely separated from each other, peaceful protests by citizens are not likely to be a tool of international diplomacy.

I too have university level history training FYI.

Edit: What the hell. Why not just say I have a history degree from an Ivy L