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umiman

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Microsoft reinventing itself
« on: October 05, 2009, 04:12:03 pm »

Honestly, it was just a few months ago when everyone was going "Micro$oft", piling on the hate on everyone's favorite bashtoy. It's much more rare nowadays. In fact, it's far more common to see people bash the people who say things like that now.

Why? Is it because it has changed? Or is it because people have gotten bored of bashing it?

I'd like to believe it's the former. With the advent of Windows 7, of which I'm genuinely interested in, and not just because of Directx 11 and their strange new company philosophy of producing quality freeware for their existing users without alienating people (see Microsoft Security Essentials, Silverlight, etc.). Even their latest fiasco where they offered Windows 7 home parties wasn't actually a fiasco. Seriously, was anyone actually pissed at them for doing it? If anything, I think it actually just proved humorous... and if their sales team is to be believe, thousands of people actually subscribed to it and will be hosting their own Windows 7 parties all across the globe.

My pal recently encountered a problem on his pirated Windows XP where the Microsoft team found out about his pirated copy. Basically, they just put a message asking him to check if his copy was pirated and if it was, to please consider changing it to an original copy. He still could use it as freely as he wanted (there was just a notice on the log in menu warning him he could be using a pirated copy) with no real restrictions except when it came to updates which he couldn't do anyway. I thought it was excellent how they didn't immediately label him as a pirate (even though he was) and allowed him to continue using the software without any real restrictions (he could still get security updates). I can think of quite a few game and software companies which need to learn from this.

The new Zune HD has been recieving lavish praise all across the interwebs for the design and quality. I probably won't get one, but if the media on it get as good as it promises (something I doubt), it's quite possible to see a slow transition to that platform. It's good to see the Zune doing something more than just trail behind Apple and go one step further, even if it's a relatively small step.

I like this new Microsoft. They have essentially become what most economists only dream of, a monopoly that constantly learns from its mistakes and continually improves itself, with just enough competition to prevent it from significantly price-gouging its consumers. Sure, this attitude might be cyclical and the next Windows version might be a pile of junk, but hey... you gotta enjoy things while they last.

The only thing stopping me now from loving adoration is the fact that it's pretty difficult to find Windows 7 for a decent price tag. I could get an OEM version of 7 profession for $200... but maybe my campus will decide to get it for all students (which it has done in the past).

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Re: Microsoft reinventing itself
« Reply #1 on: October 05, 2009, 06:58:59 pm »

I think that people just got wise to the fact their bashing the company their lives basically revolve around.
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Re: Microsoft reinventing itself
« Reply #2 on: October 05, 2009, 09:27:11 pm »

Heh, it's funny you say that, because our lives revolve much less around Microsoft these days. We had a class on why the Microsoft business model is under threat and why its stocks are expected to drop soon; I was sort of hoping that this thread was discussing some new flip in the business plan.

Microsoft has never really been an evil company. Apple is evil. Microsoft is... benevolent, but greedy. Google is benevolent, but doesn't make money from poor people, their target is rich people (ad companies). And that's exactly why MS is under threat from Google.

You see, MS makes money from selling O/S, MS Office, etc. A lot of money. Google doesn't care about this, they want as many people to use their stuff so they could collect information and sell it. Google would happily give out an O/S or document reader for free if it means that they could get more ads or valuable market information. As good as Microsoft is, they're having a lot of trouble competing with an ultra high-tech business that's giving its products away for free.

Under Bill Gates, Microsoft's policy has always been to go full speed ahead. They always think two steps ahead, with Win 98 relying on the Internet, Win XP and Vista trying to go for speech recognition. But then, they have no support for obsolescence and eat up resources like crazy. It's a bit of luck that they've gone as far as they have.
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Re: Microsoft reinventing itself
« Reply #3 on: October 05, 2009, 10:14:09 pm »

Of course they have no support for obsolescence... How could they do that and get away with it in this environment? That's like saying they programmed a secret code into all MS Office products to stop working after 4 months or something. Are you sure you're using that word correctly?

Edit: You sure you don't mean backwards-compatibility? Because they certainly do with Windows 7, going so far as to provide an entire virtual Windows XP with full copy-paste support between Windows 7 and XP at the same time, in the same machine, in their more advanced Windows 7 offerings.

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Re: Microsoft reinventing itself
« Reply #4 on: October 05, 2009, 10:29:55 pm »

NOtice how they put Beta signs on their software now?

That's a HUGE improvement!   :D

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Re: Microsoft reinventing itself
« Reply #5 on: October 06, 2009, 08:20:31 am »

I wonder if they still act like the morality police in windows7? in regards to cd-burning. I noticed something about microsoft and realplayer youtube downloads yesterday, can't remember exactly but it seemed like a good business deal, for them(i didn't take it) .

Microsoft can't afford to be lax these days, with more people switching over to linux and apple.
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Re: Microsoft reinventing itself
« Reply #6 on: October 06, 2009, 10:37:03 am »

The piracy thing may be self defence, in a way.  After all, if Microsoft are seen to be condoning piracy, they'll lose a lot of money in lawsuits.
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Re: Microsoft reinventing itself
« Reply #7 on: October 06, 2009, 11:33:02 am »

I think that people just got wise to the fact their bashing the company their lives basically revolve around.
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Microsoft isn't a company with arrogant smug bastards in the advertising department, which is nice. I hated the Apple adverts. As far as I'm concerned, the only reason they did that is because they're a small group of elitists, and to be honest, at the end of the advert I still wanted the boring, functional PC over the expensive, fancy mac.
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Re: Microsoft reinventing itself
« Reply #8 on: October 06, 2009, 11:42:23 am »

The piracy thing may be self defence, in a way.  After all, if Microsoft are seen to be condoning piracy, they'll lose a lot of money in lawsuits.

They arn't condoning it, they just admit they can't deal with it by stopping people from using their os. What they are doing is really clever, basically you'll never be able to update the OS if you've pirated it, so if theres a serious bug then your screwed until you buy a copy.

I've always support Microsoft, they're a good company that does a good thing. Apples just way to snooty for me.
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Re: Microsoft reinventing itself
« Reply #9 on: October 06, 2009, 11:45:16 am »

Yeah, and I don't like the way they charge such crazy prices.  I mean, since you can buy Windows computers from a wide variety of different makers, there's good competition, which allows you to find a good model.  Macs, on the other hand, only come from Apple, and thus tend to be rather more expensive....
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Re: Microsoft reinventing itself
« Reply #10 on: October 06, 2009, 05:48:19 pm »

Nilocy: Microsoft and all other OS makers are legally obligated to offer you free updates to critical software flaws (those critical software updates that fix bugs) even if you pirated it. So you can get updates. Just not the funky ones like free additional software.

I just learnt that my school will quite possibly be getting free Windows 7 pro for all School of Business students sometime next January or even earlier, depending on how heavily the staff and students want it. So yay! Free OS upgrade! Again!

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Re: Microsoft reinventing itself
« Reply #11 on: October 06, 2009, 07:06:41 pm »

The piracy thing may be self defence, in a way.  After all, if Microsoft are seen to be condoning piracy, they'll lose a lot of money in lawsuits.

Piracy of Windows is so common in foreign countries, they offer like a dollar version of windows that is supported and is comparable to the pirated windows.

Anyways, Apple is evil, they put huge brand prices on everything and work people to worship the apple ideology. It was only recently they made it so you could change your hardware in the an apple machine, but still only for the most expensive models. For the cost of the cheapest apple laptop, I could buy a nicer, windows based computer. Like this beautiful Toshiba I'm using right now.
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Re: Microsoft reinventing itself
« Reply #12 on: October 06, 2009, 07:31:17 pm »

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/50/Unix_history-simple.png

The mac kernel is similar to Linux. If you want a cheap non-windows computer, dual-boot to Ubuntu: It runs on the same hardware as windows, if FREE, and is similar to a mac in some ways(But almost certainly developing at least just as fast, depending on how much of mac's tech is "borrowed" from linux development)
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Re: Microsoft reinventing itself
« Reply #13 on: October 06, 2009, 07:40:36 pm »

wut.

Mac is a fork of FreeBSD now? ???
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Re: Microsoft reinventing itself
« Reply #14 on: October 06, 2009, 08:42:47 pm »

Just the kernel, but yeah.
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