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Author Topic: How to establish a feeling of wellbeing and love in your fortress  (Read 1697 times)

Korbac

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Specifically, I want more of my dwarves to be friends and get married. I want families in my fort. I want big families intermarrying so I don't need more faceless immigrants to increase my fort's population.

I have multiple meeting halls - I believe this is the culprit. However, in a fort of 200 dwarves, having only one meeting hall seems a bit... hashed? Faux? Incorrect? As such, I ask you, my good gentlemen and women, to provide me a solution, if there is one to be had, so my fort may perform as a community.

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Puzzlemaker

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Re: How to establish a feeling of wellbeing and love in your fortress
« Reply #1 on: October 04, 2009, 09:01:46 am »

Hmm...

Quality not quantity is important for your meeting halls.  A huge meeting hall might be in order, with a cocktail of booze available nearby for any thirsty dwarves. 

Also, make sure they have time off.  Socialization happens best when there is time to do so!

Good luck sir (Or Ma'am)
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Re: How to establish a feeling of wellbeing and love in your fortress
« Reply #2 on: October 04, 2009, 09:08:51 am »

A few smaller part rooms might work better for making friends / establishing relations. I think, that depends on dwarves being close to (next to?) each other.
Large party halls might space them out too far.
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Re: How to establish a feeling of wellbeing and love in your fortress
« Reply #3 on: October 04, 2009, 09:10:42 am »

I also noticed that marriage, socializing, etc., seems to happen more often when the dwarves are closer together. So, I have a large dining hall for the legendary points, and then I have a tiny statue garden right beside it so that the dwarves who are off-duty either enjoy the legendary accommodations or are forced to interact.

I play with dwarves modded to live ten years and have litters of 5 with a low population cap, so marriage is pretty much my only way of getting new slaves workers.
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Re: How to establish a feeling of wellbeing and love in your fortress
« Reply #4 on: October 04, 2009, 09:21:21 am »

Socialization is inversely proportional to the area of meeting zones.
One time I experimented with making a single 1x1 meeting zone for an entire fort. Within a year or two, everyone had legendary social skills.
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Re: How to establish a feeling of wellbeing and love in your fortress
« Reply #5 on: October 04, 2009, 09:26:44 am »

My current projectfort has 2 meeting halls, but at every time 50-70 dwarves are without a job. They all come together in the small meeting halls(With artifacts), and my original mayor is friends with everyone, and married.
Every other dwarf has at least 20 friends, and only the newest migrants are not married.

The meeting halls are 6x10(With tables) and 4x4(Statues), for 250 dwarves total.
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Korbac

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Re: How to establish a feeling of wellbeing and love in your fortress
« Reply #6 on: October 04, 2009, 09:33:07 am »

Thank you, friends of the earth!

It seems that everyone agrees that less meeting halls would be more effective than many. I shall proceed to carve out one massive, lavishly decorated one for this purpose.

I do have several families, but they all formed in the early years of my fort or came as a family when they immigrated, so there are lots of children but only from a few families.

Thank you for your support, kind humans. No doubt I will return with more mysteries for you to unlock when the time dictates it.
« Last Edit: October 04, 2009, 09:40:55 am by Korbac »
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Re: How to establish a feeling of wellbeing and love in your fortress
« Reply #7 on: October 04, 2009, 09:37:58 am »

Erm, I think you misunderstood the general conscensus.
If you want your dwarves to have friends, and get married, You need to build as SMALL a meeting room as possible.
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Re: How to establish a feeling of wellbeing and love in your fortress
« Reply #8 on: October 04, 2009, 09:41:51 am »

You should try forced breeding.


Pair up a bunch of dwarves that you think will be compatible with each other, and lock each pair in a 1*1 room with a year or more supply of food and drink.  After a while, delirium and isolation will set in, and the dwarves will f*** like rabbits.


Yay for wellbeing and love :D

Korbac

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Re: How to establish a feeling of wellbeing and love in your fortress
« Reply #9 on: October 04, 2009, 09:55:23 am »

Very true, very true, my good man Martinuzz. I shall stick to one living room. However, I'd hate to see poverty and a lack of living space upset my dwarves. Therefore, I shall make one lavish hall, large enough for most of them to stop by and chat.

The Mad Engineer - you seems to subscribe to communist principles. You are correct that this would benefit the fortress as a whole, but I think it would infringe upon each dwarf's rights - the right to choose who to marry, for one. Also, overpopulation may lead to a lack of living space and fortresswide dementia. Nonetheless, I thank you for your suggestion, which will be utilized in times of need.
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Re: How to establish a feeling of wellbeing and love in your fortress
« Reply #10 on: October 04, 2009, 10:03:59 am »

In Soviet fortress, love chooses YOU!


I'm not forcing them to marry.  I'm forcing them to WANT to marry!

 Anyway, good luck on your endeavors.  If I were a dorf, I'd live in your fortress.
« Last Edit: October 04, 2009, 10:05:34 am by The Mad Engineer »
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Re: How to establish a feeling of wellbeing and love in your fortress
« Reply #11 on: October 04, 2009, 10:14:49 am »

If you give me a name you'd like, I'll find a legendary for you to become. Life expectancy in my fort is quite high (unless you're a noble in which case I will ignore your demands and you will, due to your pathetic lifestyle, go insane and die) due to the compassion I harbour for my dwarves. My fortress isn't the most efficient but I think is rather dwarven (a multiple z level catacombs, many stills, bedroom blocks of different design spread out, numerous stockpiles, industry themed areas, private rooms for the dungeon master, etc.) and most dwarves would be rather pleased with it. The only thing that annoys them I think is the mandatory visits outside for military dwarves so as not to be afraid of the huge ball of fire in the sky.
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Re: How to establish a feeling of wellbeing and love in your fortress
« Reply #12 on: October 04, 2009, 10:25:15 am »

A good method to handle the huge ball of fire is to simply have a skylight, my friend.  Perhaps in the barracks, where they can spar while being exposed.
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Korbac

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Re: How to establish a feeling of wellbeing and love in your fortress
« Reply #13 on: October 04, 2009, 10:29:05 am »

Egads! This is true.

Nonetheless, it is done now. I shall keep it in mind the next time I have to construct a barracks though.

The added advantage to sparring outside is that you are very quickly able to mobilise your military to attack those ambushers right off the bat, with, of course, spiffing results. Also, it gives my dwarves a chance to see the outside world - and then compare it to the heaven that is the Underhome!

Puzzlemaker, I thank thee for your wisdom. May your beard be long and prosperous.
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Re: How to establish a feeling of wellbeing and love in your fortress
« Reply #14 on: October 04, 2009, 11:16:02 am »

Hmm... I get the feeling ye won't like this option, but it IS horribly effective.

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Dig out a 1x2 room like so, and make a 1x1 meeting zone in the dead end. Also, make sure it's yer only meeting area. Dwarves will happily pile into the two squares, dozens deep, gaining social skills and making friends at an incredible rate. It's like a short, bearded, drunken Rugby team in a phone booth, except that Rugby teammates (usually) don't get married afterward. Of course, it also means that you hafta give up yer other meeting areas for a while, and what with the lack of space all of the marrying dwarves will decide to forgo celebrations... but they're all so ecstatic to be making new friends!
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