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[Quietust]

Actually, the ‼[REDACTED]‼ never have any engravings on their levels, just rough stone floors littered with charcoal and ashes. Only the very bottom floor has the engravings of dead/withering/burning/screaming humanoids, and it always has those engravings regardless of what's on the upper levels.

You sure? I could've sworn that there were engravings of dwarves burning or whatever on the upper levels.

I'm 100% certain - the only time you ever get engravings on the upper levels is if you've got the naughty variety.

I did a bit of testing and determined the exact effect of each sphere:

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   [SPHERE:FIRE] - ashes + charcoal, pools of magma
   [SPHERE:WATER] - pools of water
   [SPHERE:MUCK] - muddy floors, vermin
   [SPHERE:DEPRAVITY] - engravings of depraved acts, general filth
   [SPHERE:THRALLDOM] - unchained prisoners
   [SPHERE:TORTURE] - caged and chained prisoners, corpses + body parts + chunks + meat + skins on pikes/in cages/on floor, pools of blood
   [SPHERE:DEATH] - engravings of death and suffering, bones, bone meal, skulls on pikes

The very bottom level of the pit is generated based on the spheres of the "Demon" entity, while the upper levels of the pit are generated based on the spheres of the lesser demon type chosen to inhabit the region. Combining spheres can lead to rather interesting results.

The spheres CAVERNS, CHAOS, DARKNESS, DEFORMITY, FOOD, LIGHT, LIGHTNING, LONGEVITY, METALS, MINERALS, REBIRTH, SPEECH, STRENGTH, THUNDER, WAR, WEALTH, and WISDOM seem to have no effect at all.

[Jim Groovester]

That's a lot of stuff missing. Toady needs to get coding so that the dynamically generated [REDACTED] in the new version have dynamically generated lairs, appropriate to their spheres.

Can't have [liGHTNING] [REDACTED] if their lairs aren't crackling with electricity, can we now?

[zchris13]

Or not running with brilliant gems.

[Kaiser Reinhard]

Say I want fun of the naughty variety much more often than the fiery and swimming kind. How can I mod my game for this? Or do I just have to remove the fiery and swimming fun?

[bjlong]

That's a lot of stuff missing. Toady needs to get coding so that the dynamically generated [REDACTED] in the new version have dynamically generated lairs, appropriate to their spheres.

Can't have [liGHTNING] [REDACTED] if their lairs aren't crackling with electricity, can we now?

Three words:

Nikola. Tesla. [REDACTED].

[Rijjka]

"This is an engraving of a Dwarf. The Dwarf is wearing Steel. The Dwarf is being stuck down by lightning. Nikola Tesla is laughing."

[shadowclasper]

That would be awesome.

NIKOLA CLOWNS! You must keep them in glass or wooden cages. metal ones allow them to attack.

Frankly, I'd love to see more kinds of clowns, of every sort and sphere. Hell, if someone could show me how to make the code I'd DO it. after all, it seems like the way the program works right now is it plugs in variables you name as you create the rwa right? So the hard part is figuring out how to parse those in I guess... or has somebody gone about actually modding the game to produce these different spheres of clowns?

Also, it'd be interesting (upon the introduction of magic) if you could bless cages and traps to actually effect these blokes ehn?

[Soadreqm]

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I think the idea is that the gods imprisoned the demons under the earth when they made the mountains, so the engravings would be a bit like those found in nuclear waste sites, warning everyone that NO NO NO DON'T OPEN IT YOU'LL DOOM US ALL. Maybe they should have put some pictures on the OUTSIDE of the chamber.

[Deon]

Frankly, I'd love to see more kinds of clowns, of every sort and sphere. Hell, if someone could show me how to make the code I'd DO it. after all, it seems like the way the program works right now is it plugs in variables you name as you create the rwa right? So the hard part is figuring out how to parse those in I guess... or has somebody gone about actually modding the game to produce these different spheres of clowns?

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All clowns are in /raw/objects/creature_standard.txt file. It's easy to make any.

[shadowclasper]

Frankly, I'd love to see more kinds of clowns, of every sort and sphere. Hell, if someone could show me how to make the code I'd DO it. after all, it seems like the way the program works right now is it plugs in variables you name as you create the rwa right? So the hard part is figuring out how to parse those in I guess... or has somebody gone about actually modding the game to produce these different spheres of clowns?

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All clowns are in /raw/objects/creature_standard.txt file. It's easy to make any.

I see. Can you also determine what kind of engravings and objects appear?

[darkflagrance]

From the way I understand it, you can't add in any completely new effects, because although you can change the sphere tags in the entry of an HFS that determine what its chamber contains, you can't change what the tags do.

In other words, you can only use sphere tags that already do things for the HFS chamber, although you can mix and match them as you desire.

[shadowclasper]

Since the various clowns seem to have two different spheres each. I'm gonna put some ideas out here, those of you who already had the HFS spoiled and those who've seen it themselves are welcome to keep looking, the rest of ya, please don't, you'll really regret not having this SUPER FUN thing happen to you out of the blue ^^

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CAVERNS+DARKNESS=Shadow Demons, not the strongest of demons, but they're attacks have a high chance of temporarily blinding. Leader form will blind permanently
FOOD+DEFORMITY=Plague Demons, cause all foods and organics to immediately begin rotting they come near. Further, their attacks will cause automatic infections of the wound, requiring surgery to remove the tissue.
LIGHTNING+THUNDER=Storm Demons, they light things on fire occasionally, but they're big point is the fact that if they cross the same square as a dwarf they auto stun. They only have a few places they can be hit though, and most require piercing weapons (like bolts).
LONGEVITY+REBIRTH=Immortal Demons, these guys are weak. But they have a VERY high breeding rate. Like think cats squared. Only two spawn at the beginning, and start off nonhostile. They turn hostile once attacked or they reach a certain number. To make matters worse, they have a chance to stand back up after being killed.
CHAOS+SPEECH=Madness Demons, These demons aren't tough. Nor do they attack. They have a chance to cause any dwarves within range to automatically gain an insanity.
MINERALS+METALS=Metal Demons, Think lots of really small, less damaging, bronze colossi.
STRENGTH+WAR=War Demons, possibly the toughest, or the easiest, depending on your thoughts. They're proficient in ALL weapons. and spawn in the maximum amount of armor allowed, as well as 1 random weapon and a shield, 2 random weapons, or 1 random two handed weapon. All of their stuff is made from adamantium. The Boss demon has legendary in all weapon skills. All their equipment is too large for dwarves to wear. But maybe it could be melted down?
WEALTH+WISDOM=Greed Demons, Not hostile, won't touch your dwarves. In fact, they'll just go through your fortress, take ALL your sell-able goods, and leave behind very very very valuable "Fairy Gold Coins", before disappearing off the map Even killing them won't get your goods back once they took 'em. You must use these up before the end of the season or they disappear. Also, whoever you give them too automatically turns hostile at the end of the season, even your own mountain home. They will also drive your book keeper insane and wipe out all queued up jobs on all workshops they come across. They won't touch equiped items, built items (like chairs that have been plaed), or artifacts.

There's nothing I could make for Light demons ^^;

Thoughts for those who read? Think this is suggestion forum worthy?

[Deon]

Thanks, nice ideas. I will mod them in a moment. Should be a fun thing for my next fort .
Too bad most things are unimplemented through the raws, still I like the flavor.

[Soadreqm]

Thoughts for those who read? Think this is suggestion forum worthy?

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I think the ultimate goal is to make the game able to make random demons based on associated spheres, and that should be going in reasonably soon-ish. At least some of the functionality will be present in the next version, in fact. So, I don't think it's worth it to add specifc demons at this point, as they would probably be just a short-ish lived placeholder. Also, I think some of the more gimmicky ones would be really irritating. Like, ragequit irritating. Especially Greed.

Oh, and the Light Demon could be a bit like the Shadow Demon. Made of intense light, blinds dwarves who see it. Maybe give it a projectile attack or something made of light.

[kilakan]

I think demons should be randomised based on the dwarves gods, like If most of the fort worships the goddess of food, the demons will insta rot any nearby food, the god of children, the demons insta kill any nearby children/make dwarves infertile.