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[webadict]

ExKirby would like you all to know it was sarcasm. Yeesh.

[dakarian]

I would like him to know that he would still be alive if he didn't do that, since the bandwagon was ending at the time.

[Apostolic Nihilist]

But I accept my action: I had planned on my vote being the hammer and believed I was right.  Now, Nihilst...why is it that you seem so sure that it was one of the worst things to do, so sure that what we did was wrong before the lynch and yet you flung the hammer? 

I had doubts — plenty of them. I also weighed the probabilities, and realized that ExKirby was probably scum. Furthermore, I felt sort of bad for disrupting your hammer at the absolute last minute.

I was expecting us to get more information out of his death than just a colour and alignment -- at the time, it was probably one of the better moves that we could make. At the very least, we would end up with a dead townie, a colour, and a role; conceivably, this could help us decipher the pattern (if there is one. I'm beginning to doubt that there is).

It probably would've been a better move to stall for time.


...I'm starting to feel bad for ExKirby. He always ends up like this. I should probably be mourning for town, but...

[dakarian]

Funny thing was, for his complaint about being singled out, his tactic worked.  I DID take his actions as 'not enough to lynch'.  I suspected but it's common for me to do so before feeling better about a person.  If he kept silent, that bandwagon would've dissolved on its own. 

Bah, even with the outburst, if he declared anything else, I would've just pegged it for geniune frustration.  Metawise, he DOES get a hard time here.  The caught lie ruined any argument I had on him being town.

Meh.  Enough of this.  Person.. you're the only one left not to comment and my vote is on you.  Make it count!

[NUKE9.13]

ExKirby would like you all to know it was sarcasm. Yeesh.

I would like ExKirby to know that, in my opinion, that was really stupid, unnecessary, and for doing so he should perhaps reconsider his mafia-subsection participation.

I doubt dakarian is scum. It was obvious that ExKirby was not town (the fact that he was aside), and if dakarian was scum, he would therefore know that ExKirby was the joker and thus not lynch him. I still agree with Apostolic Nihilist that we should have left him for the scum to NK, but whatever.

Not sure.  He hasn't posted for a while.  I think the scum might've been going for a safe bet that wouldn't reveal much about them, or something.

Well, it does tell us something about the scum: They think stupid. Killing active or fairly active players works is always better than killing lurkers.
Also, if you are right, it probably means the scum (think that) killing a more active player would be bad for them. This probably means that they were or thought they were in conflict with them day 1.
Or something.
Anyway old Apostolic Nihilist holds my vote for now on account of... stuff. I consider his behaviour sufficiently odd that I consider the likelyhood that he is scum higher than any other player.

[Leafsnail]

Apost has indeed been suspicious, but I'd also like to ask where Org is.  Why do you think Pandar was NK'd?  What do you think about Exkirby's lynch?

[dakarian]

You agree with Nihilst's reasoning but you find him scummy on....stuff.


Unvote,  Vote Nuke9.13

No really.. explain yourself.

[NUKE9.13]

So, what, all scum lie all the time and never makes a single rational statement?

Come on.
"I agree with Apostolic Nihilist."
Was not what I said
I said:
"I still agree with Apostolic Nihilist that we should have left him for the scum to NK, but whatever."

[dakarian]

the emphasis was on the second half..

What's your reasoning for thinking he's acting scummy?

[Vector]

At the very least, we would end up with a dead townie, a colour, and a role; conceivably, this could help us decipher the pattern (if there is one. I'm beginning to doubt that there is).

So, I'm starting to guess at a pattern, but I think that's going to have to wait until later-game or something.  The only problem here is that we're going to have to continue using it only as a tool to mildly sway predictions, rather than as a matter of absolute certainty.

Anyway old Apostolic Nihilist holds my vote for now on account of... stuff. I consider his behaviour sufficiently odd that I consider the likelyhood that he is scum higher than any other player.

Grargh, ninja'd.

Care to expand on what "stuff" means?



So... Apostolic Nihilist.  Are you going to actually start hunting, or are you going to sit there being defensive while entire town dies off?

Lookin' pretty scummy there, young man.

[Mr.Person]

At the very least, we would end up with a dead townie, a colour, and a role; conceivably, this could help us decipher the pattern (if there is one. I'm beginning to doubt that there is).

So, I'm starting to guess at a pattern, but I think that's going to have to wait until later-game or something.  The only problem here is that we're going to have to continue using it only as a tool to mildly sway predictions, rather than as a matter of absolute certainty.

Ok, so why didn't you tell us your pattern prediction?

[dakarian]

Unless that includes actually finding the mafia or it's shown that it does NOT affect role I'd rather it NOT get voiced.


Now, Person.. how about something not involving color?

[Apostolic Nihilist]

Ok, so why didn't you tell us your pattern prediction?

Presumably because an incomplete hypothesis could only hurt Town. If we start trying to wrap our assumptions around a pattern that isn't even necessarily correct, we're limiting our options.

Mr.Person, you've been lurking quite a lot throughout this game, yet you post in other mafia threads quite frequently. Any specific reason why?

[Vector]

At the very least, we would end up with a dead townie, a colour, and a role; conceivably, this could help us decipher the pattern (if there is one. I'm beginning to doubt that there is).

So, I'm starting to guess at a pattern, but I think that's going to have to wait until later-game or something.  The only problem here is that we're going to have to continue using it only as a tool to mildly sway predictions, rather than as a matter of absolute certainty.

Ok, so why didn't you tell us your pattern prediction?

1.  I need more data.  I've got 4 data points, but I don't feel confident in killing based on it.
2.  Some of the hypothesis is based on my own sense of structure and symmetry.  I don't trust Webadict to use a similar mindset.

[Org]

Apost has indeed been suspicious, but I'd also like to ask where Org is.  Why do you think Pandar was NK'd?  What do you think about Exkirby's lynch?

Wait. What. How does that make sense? Oh, maybe you mean why, as in why would scum kill them.... Maybe because he is good in mafias most of the time.


I think he may just be a noob, though he has been in a few mafias. Needs to stick his head down and try not to do scummy looking stuff.