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[ExKirby]

Hello Mr.Person! How is your nap!

Yes, that was my vote.

[NUKE9.13]

Leafsnail is pretty FoS happy in most games he's in. And nowadays you punks use blue for your FoSing, which is a funny colour. In comparison to not using blue.

[Leafsnail]

I'm fairly sure colors have an effect, but I'm equally sure it won't be something as obvious as "Your vote goes to the appropriate color".  I don't think we should color-claim, as it could have absolutely disastrous consequences.  Then again, it could be a "Presumably Vanilla Townie" style ploy, where we spend the entire game searching for a meaning in the colors only to find that there's none at all.

Anyway, Dakarian, I think he means that he doesn't like the way I tend to FoS people in blue.  Or something.  Why are you color-fishing?  Could it be that the mafia gains some kind of advantage through knowing people's colors?

[dakarian]

I'm color fishing because color fishing =! role fishing.


The mafia want to know our roles so that they can better attack against them.  That's the basis of Role Fishing. 

Color fishing, however, is an attempt to learn the game: the basis of solving a Bastard Mod.  No one knows what the colors do, whether they have an effect or whether they are red herrings.  Judging by how web phrased everything, no one currently knows the purpose of their color or anyone else's.  That makes the colors a wildcard that can, at best, divert us, and, at worse, tear the whole lot of us apart. 

Excluding power roles (and even then there's exceptions), Truth and honesty is a Town weapon.  It's by learning the truth of all of us that we win these games.  It's the mafia that hoards information and wishes the town to remain confused and uninformed long enough to finish their work. 

The point: Since color doesn't directly show role, I believe we're best off attempting to solve the puzzle so long as it doesn't detract us from the traditional scumhunt.  Mass Color Claiming is one way but not the only way.  Thus why I asked to bring about a vote and not just bully the town.

I imagine, Leaf, that your vote then would be No. 


Sidenote: *smack* for messing up my pressure questioning.  Answering someone else's question, even if you know the answer, doesn't help determine their town/scumminess, especially in RVS when the questions aren't exactly strong to begin with. 

[NUKE9.13]

The point: Since color doesn't directly show role

How do you know?

[dakarian]

Judgement based on my PM role. 

If you look at yours and can find some connection between your color and your role, you're either getting a lot more information than I have or you're better at puzzles.

[Org]

Pandar, is there anything else you want me to answer?

Mr Person, until he posts and who would your two mafia buddies be?

[Apostolic Nihilist]

Let's consider the scenarios:

A) There is a role which has a list of all the colours (and the roles that they have)

B) Scum have a list of all the colours (and the roles that they have)

C) This is a ploy by webadict to spread distrust throughout us all.


If B is true, then claiming our colours is the worst thing we can possibly do. If A is true, it's still bad, but not as bad. If C is true, it doesn't really matter either way. If A is true, then there's likely another role which can determine the colour someone has, but not the role.

Now, our lack of knowledge regarding this can be used by clever mafia very easily. They can try and trick us into thinking that:

A) Our colours mean nothing (if they do; they'll try and get us to claim in an effort to prove their theory while simultaneously getting a list of who has what role )
or
B) Our colours mean something (if they don't, then they'll try and spread misinformation, suggesting that our colours are important/do mean something and anyone who colour claims will immediately appear scummy. Admittedly, alone, there aren't many foreseeable advantages to this, but if there is a role that determines colours, and that role thinks that the colours mean something, then much fun could be had.)

Anyone suggesting that we claim our colours is scummy, Dakarian. I may have been more accurate with my random vote than I thought.

Furthermore, you say that your colour doesn't fit your role; this implies that you have a role which doesn't suit your colour.
Ex: Blue cop, green doctor, red mafia.

[webadict]

Vote Count (5 to Lynch)
Dakarian - Apostolic Nihilist
Apostolic Nihilist - dakarian
Org - Pandarsenic
Leafsnail - NUKE9.13
NUKE9.13 - dakarian
Mr.Person - Org

[dakarian]

To assume that a role has a color chart is to assume that Web was lying about the possible roles, since the only role that can be affected by color is the Role Cop.  I guess this could be a true Bastard game but I'm hoping not.

And yes, I can't see HOW my color affects my role.


I've always been one to believe more knowledge helps than less knowledge. 

[Mr.Person]

Pandarsenic and Dakarian do a good job of hiding scuminess.

ExKirby,, why am I OMGUS'ing you?

[Apostolic Nihilist]

To assume that a role has a color chart is to assume that Web was lying about the possible roles, since the only role that can be affected by color is the Role Cop.  I guess this could be a true Bastard game but I'm hoping not.

And yes, I can't see HOW my color affects my role.


I've always been one to believe more knowledge helps than less knowledge. 

And so on. That's "mostly" it. Remember, 0 is a number, too!

It's clear he's hiding something from us, or at the very least wants us to think he's hiding something from us.

[dakarian]

Gotta love those bastard mods.   

*having dark memories of a game that claimed to be normal but secretely everyone was a SK*

[Leafsnail]

Gotta love those bastard mods.   

*having dark memories of a game that claimed to be normal but secretely everyone was a SK*

Hahaha.  I have thought of bastard mod games where secretly everyone's in the mafia, or noone's in the mafia, or everyone is a naive cop.  Wait, aren't most SKs resistant to night kills anyway?

I don't think webadict would bastard mod to that extreme (after all, we haven't had a vote mafia where everyone is a triple voter yet ), but I do think the colors might have an important effect.  Like maybe the mafia is given a color chart, or people only color-flip.  Or something.

[dakarian]

It was a mess.  The SKs, each night would choose one person.  Whoever recieved the most 'hits' was killed.  Ties resulted in multiple kills.  Also, the roleflips were all faked, with people showing up as cops, towns, mafias, and what not.

There was a quirk in it where if all of the SKs died in the same time (i.e. if each person targeted someone different) then EVERYONE would win (since their win condition was "everyone else dies" without any need to survive themselves).  The group didn't find out though so only one person won.

Once you open the realm to Bastard Modding, everything turns to mush.

As a sidenote: I have a Bastard Mod in the works .