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[chinkeeyong]

Whale shark? Where the hell did you get that from?

[Deon]

creature_large_ocean.txt

[CREATURE:SHARK_WHALE]

Use the 'search' function before asking .

[Angellus]

I've always gotten the feeling that size represents roughly how tall or long a creature is, slightly larger than feet.

Someone should go through the raws and catagorize the sizes so we know what we are dealing with.

Ok.

None: vermin, all small fish
2: hoary marmot, fox, raccoon, groundhog
3: cat, fire imp, carp, all gnomes, rhesus macaque, all gibbons, milkfish, cod, bluefish, tigerfish
4: ratman, batman, antman, gremlin, cave swallowman, large rat, siamang, naked mole dog
5: kobold, dog, all wolves, mountain goat, snailman, slugman, leechman, frogman, olmman, longnose gar, pike, deer, warthog, cheetah, mandrill, chimpanzee, bonobo
6: dwarf, goblin, harpy, troglodyte, leopard, strangler, opah, great barracuda, giant mole
7: human, elf, donkey, cougar, jaguar, fire man, magma man, iron man, mud man, tigerman, lizardman, snakeman, beak dog, grimeling, foul blendec, orangutan, merperson, satyr, conger eel, elk
8: werewolf, black bear, mule, lion, tiger, gorilla, giant cheetah, nightwing, giant rat, giant cave swallow
9: horse, cow, grizzly bear, troll, ogre, unicorn, minotaur, sasquatch, blizzard man, muskox, giant grouper, halibut, alligator, giant leopard
10: giant cave spider, giant eagle, all camels, all crocodiles, walrus, sturgeon, polar bear, giant jaguar, giant desert scorpion, giant toad, giant olm, giant bat
11: spirit of fire, giant lion, giant tiger, treant, marlin, bluefin tuna
12: frog demon, tentacle demon, ettin, wagon, hippo, ocean sunfish, swordfish
16: demon, giant, cyclops, elephant, whale, sea serpent, sea monster
20: dragon, titan, bronze colossus, hydra

Now all we need is a bit of data on the volume of the creatures.

I believe that length of of the ground will not do it, horses are larger than humans, but humans tower over the horses (at least here in europe most do
So I recon it will mean the volume.

Time to dip creatures into water!!

[Reese]

I filtered out the real animals from that list and started going through wikipedia for numbers... got bored at cow, but...

I recorded size by largest dimension (length for fish, standing height for bipeds, and head plus body for quadrupeds... and some of the quad numbers are estimates based on shoulder height and the proportion of height at shoulder to length in the accompanying pictures)

I also tried to pick the average of height and weight, the middle of a given range

it looks like largest dimension increases linearly (with more scatter as you get larger, but that's probably my bad numbers) and the weight increases exponentially

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Largest dimension and mass are measured in Inches and pounds, despite pounds not technically being a measure of mass.

[Angellus]

I filtered out the real animals from that list and started going through wikipedia for numbers... got bored at cow, but...

I recorded size by largest dimension (length for fish, standing height for bipeds, and head plus body for quadrupeds... and some of the quad numbers are estimates based on shoulder height and the proportion of height at shoulder to length in the accompanying pictures)

I also tried to pick the average of height and weight, the middle of a given range

it looks like largest dimension increases linearly (with more scatter as you get larger, but that's probably my bad numbers) and the weight increases exponentially

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Largest dimension and mass are measured in Inches and pounds, despite pounds not technically being a measure of mass.

Could you post the table with sizes you used?

You also might want to add a trendline, so you can derive a formula?

[Reese]

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Creature size mass(pounds) largest dimension(inches) space(not used)
hoary marmot 2 20 20
fox 2 20 25
raccoon 2 15 20
groundhog 2 7 22
cat 3 12 18
carp 3 80 60
rhesus macaque 3 17 21
gibbon 3 17 20
milkfish 3 39
cod 3 20 40
bluefish 3 20
tigerfish 3
siamang 4 31 40
dog 5 75 45
wolf 5 80 48
mountain goat 5 200 40
long nose gar 5 40 50
pike 5 60 60
deer 5 200 60
warthog 5 200 48
cheetah 5 115 50
mandrill 5 57 32
chimp 5 130 60
bonobo 5
Leopard 6 150 55
human 7 170 66
donkey 7 75
cougar 7 160 60
jaguar 7 180 68
orangutan 7 130 54
conger eel 7 240 118
elk 7 550
black bear 8 450 72
mule 8 900
lion 8 420 80
tiger 8 475 114
gorilla 8 380 67
horse 9 600 68
cow 9
grizzly 9
halibut 9
alligator 9
camel 10
crocodile 10
walrus 10
sturgeon 10
polar bear 10
marlin 11
bluefin tuna 11
hippo 12
ocean sunfish 12
swordfish 12
elephant 16
whale 16


hmm, came out tab delimited...

I'm not sure how to get open office to introduce a trend line, if it can, and I doubt anything I hand draw will be anything like accurate.

the 'space' column was going to be something along the lines of the area of the creature's silhouette, but given how much trouble and guestimating I had to do to get head + body length measurements, the numbers wouldn't have been worth anything anyway.

[Mohreb el Yasim]

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Creature size mass largest dimension space
hoary marmot 2 20 20
fox 2 20 25
raccoon 2 15 20
groundhog 2 7 22
cat 3 12 18
carp 3 80 60
rhesus macaque 3 17 21
gibbon 3 17 20
milkfish 3 39
cod 3 20 40
bluefish 3 20
tigerfish 3
siamang 4 31 40
dog 5 75 45
wolf 5 80 48
mountain goat 5 200 40
long nose gar 5 40 50
pike 5 60 60
deer 5 200 60
warthog 5 200 48
cheetah 5 115 50
mandrill 5 57 32
chimp 5 130 60
bonobo 5
Leopard 6 150 55
human 7 170 66
donkey 7 75
cougar 7 160 60
jaguar 7 180 68
orangutan 7 130 54
conger eel 7 240 118
elk 7 550
black bear 8 450 72
mule 8 900
lion 8 420 80
tiger 8 475 114
gorilla 8 380 67
horse 9 600 68
cow 9
grizzly 9
halibut 9
alligator 9
camel 10
crocodile 10
walrus 10
sturgeon 10
polar bear 10
marlin 11
bluefin tuna 11
hippo 12
ocean sunfish 12
swordfish 12
elephant 16
whale 16


hmm, came out tab delimited...

I'm not sure how to get open office to introduce a trend line, if it can, and I doubt anything I hand draw will be anything like accurate.

the 'space' column was going to be something along the lines of the area of the creature's silhouette, but given how much trouble and guestimating I had to do to get head + body length measurements, the numbers wouldn't have been worth anything anyway.

Reese i migth be a bit slow but i have no clear idee what your table represents ...
size is DF size i suppose, but mass, largest dimension, space ... what are the unitise you use to show them?
next time write like this: size(urist/DF unit) mass(kg/lb) largest dimension(m/feet) ...
i mean it is quite messy in real world, since some countrys won't adopt SI system, but at this forum we could still be precise rigth?

[Reese]

ah, whups, I captioned the graph with the proper units, forgot to caption the table with the proper units... (just copied and pasted the table from Calc)

It's in inches and pounds, for the record (but I will go back and edit that in to my previous post!)  size I felt was pretty self explanatory, since this is a thread about the size attribute in the raws.

[chinkeeyong]

Whoops, guys, I missed a large section of creature_large_ocean mostly involving sharks. List updated.

[Neonivek]

One of the few games where humans arn't a 10... and oddly enough Dwarves arn't a 10 (or a 5) either.

[Neruz]

it looks like largest dimension increases linearly (with more scatter as you get larger, but that's probably my bad numbers) and the weight increases exponentially

Which is actually what happens.

If a 1 foot square cube of [Material] is doubled in size (becoming a 2 foots quare cube of [Material]) it will quadruple in weight.

I think, been awhile since i did mass mathematics. Might have been more than that.

[Deon]

I find it funny how people try to build complex systems involving non-existant values to find a reason of a single combat parameter . Yay the DF forums, you continue to amaze and entertain me .

[Angellus]

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Creature size mass(pounds) largest dimension(inches) space(not used)
hoary marmot 2 20 20
fox 2 20 25
raccoon 2 15 20
groundhog 2 7 22
cat 3 12 18
carp 3 80 60
rhesus macaque 3 17 21
gibbon 3 17 20
milkfish 3 39
cod 3 20 40
bluefish 3 20
tigerfish 3
siamang 4 31 40
dog 5 75 45
wolf 5 80 48
mountain goat 5 200 40
long nose gar 5 40 50
pike 5 60 60
deer 5 200 60
warthog 5 200 48
cheetah 5 115 50
mandrill 5 57 32
chimp 5 130 60
bonobo 5
Leopard 6 150 55
human 7 170 66
donkey 7 75
cougar 7 160 60
jaguar 7 180 68
orangutan 7 130 54
conger eel 7 240 118
elk 7 550
black bear 8 450 72
mule 8 900
lion 8 420 80
tiger 8 475 114
gorilla 8 380 67
horse 9 600 68
cow 9
grizzly 9
halibut 9
alligator 9
camel 10
crocodile 10
walrus 10
sturgeon 10
polar bear 10
marlin 11
bluefin tuna 11
hippo 12
ocean sunfish 12
swordfish 12
elephant 16
whale 16


hmm, came out tab delimited...

I'm not sure how to get open office to introduce a trend line, if it can, and I doubt anything I hand draw will be anything like accurate.

the 'space' column was going to be something along the lines of the area of the creature's silhouette, but given how much trouble and guestimating I had to do to get head + body length measurements, the numbers wouldn't have been worth anything anyway.

The most promising one is still volume in cubic metres, or litres.
Looks nice, I'll try and find out how you make a trendline in OpenOffice, I have both open and microsoft 07, so I'll try it out for you.

I believe you make a trendline by rightclicking one of the dots in the graph, then the option ádd trendline' should become available.

[PolliMatrix]

it looks like largest dimension increases linearly (with more scatter as you get larger, but that's probably my bad numbers) and the weight increases exponentially

Which is actually what happens.

If a 1 foot square cube of [Material] is doubled in size (becoming a 2 foots quare cube of [Material]) it will quadruple in weight.

I think, been awhile since i did mass mathematics. Might have been more than that.

Actually if you double the surface area of a cube (1 square foot to 2 square feet) its volume (and therefore its weight) will be only about 2.828 times greater, not four times. Also I think a better comparison for the data in Reese's table would be doubling the edge length of the cube and the cube weighing 8 times as much after:
m(x) = d * x³ (m : mass of the cube, d : mass per unit of volume, x : edge length).
Also this would be a power function, not an exponential function. (An exponential growth function would be something like y(x)=a*e^x)

[Deon]

Don't forget the symmetry rules with creatures, with 2 symmetry axles for standing walking creatures, which influences the volume spread.